Are you willing to give up any rights to become more safe?

zachary0611

Are you willing to give up any rights to become more safe? As we know freedom comes at a price. I'm not sure, but I have heard the Patriot Act has potential to take away some are rights like no improper search and seizure. I have heard that the Patriot Act allows the government to search, seize, and bug you without a judges permission.

abhai2k · Congressional Page Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 43

Hmmm i might agree to that if and only if they do not abuse the act. Basically i have to look after my family and i cant afford protection. So ill have to bow to the wishes of the people who are protecting me.

Slick4788 · Mayor's Aide Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 50

u should have nothing to hide, if there's nothing wrong to hide Smile

if they want to search, go ahead, they can search all they want.

the only thing wrong i see with Patriot Act is the amount of government involvement and control of the citizens....ahem ahem communism Rolling Eyes

miked · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject:

Well whats happens when someone is wrongly accused this is where the problem comes in. Think about the Mcarthy era and communism would you want to be someone who is accused of terrorism. The Patriot act allows peoples simple suspisions to have you interogated by the government.

MHJ · Mayor's Aide Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 118

The question remains are the rights being given up to combat terrorism or is that an excuse to eliminate rights for politcal reasons?

Coda1108 · Mayor's Aide Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 130 Location: PA

Being wrongly accused is certainly a horrible thing. I don't see, however, how The Patriot Act would result in a greater likelihood I'll be wrongly accused of something. If anything, it seems to me the opposite is true. If I'm for some reason mistakenly thought to have committed some crime I didn't, and they bug my phone, they'll find out I have nothing to do with whatever it is they think I did.

Does anyone know for sure if The Patriot Act involves Search & Seizure? Wire tapping, yes. Search & Seizure, I'm honestly not sure about.

Coda1108 · Mayor's Aide Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 130 Location: PA

I just answered my own question in the "Why Are We Living In Fear" thread... ha-ha. I imagine checking my backpack would constitue Search & Seizure. And no, I don't mind being asked to open my backpack before I get on a Subway.

Thumperfive · Mayor Joined: 11 Jun 2006 Posts: 222

I wonder if we'd be so suspicious about the government's motives if it were a Democrat in charge.... or would we just be allowing the terror cells to take hold and smile as more people died?

Dolly · Mayor Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 247

Who was it who said, "Those who are willing to sacrifice a little bit of liberty for a little bit of security, deserve to lose both?"

Surely our cultures are founded on freedom. If we are encouraged to sacrifice that freedom, in exchange for so-called security, then we aren't benefitting future generations?

Coda1108 · Mayor's Aide Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 130 Location: PA

That's a good quote. I guess, though I don't feel as if having my backpack checked before I get into an enclosed subway tunnel justifies sacrificing my liberty.

Dolly · Mayor Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 247

I think that really what we have to decide exactly what we are looking at.

Is it the thin end of the wedge?

Over here in the UK there is currently a situation where people with passports are going to be issued with id cards. Supposedly, this is part of protecting us from the War Against Terror.

Thing is that they can only be issued to people with a UK passport - How exactly will that protect us against foreign infiltration?

This leads me to think that there is another reason for the ID cards being issued.

julian4239 · Mayor Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 211

One has to remember that the wiretapping is intended for foreign calls. There are no domestic wiretapping, unless there's a warrant from the court. The domestic calls will be archived, not monitored.

Dolly · Mayor Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 247

I suppose, that with wire tapping or anything else related to restriction of rights or invasion of privacy - we are going to have to trust that the authorities would not abuse the issue.

Well, I don't trust 'em!

julian4239 · Mayor Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 211

Well, it seems like 45 million Americans trusted American Idol with their private information when they dialed that number. Shocked

Dolly · Mayor Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 247

Ooh, Julian, I'm in the UK and don't know what you mean.

Please, do enlighten me?