Scott
Mayor's Aide
Joined: 22 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject: Attack on Iran |
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This is fairly new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9t_i08d1xc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fmTgfmjtzk
I always thought the US would never attack Iran because Russia and China would probably get involved. After watching the above video, I'm not so sure.
We have to look at the big picture when we talk about Iran. It was an American de facto colony for a long time.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Iran_KH.html
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm
The US would like to take control of Iran all right but not for the reasons they give us.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3117338213439292490&pl=true
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17836.htm
Some good info about Iran can be found here.
Enter "Iran" or "Savak" in this search engine.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.html
Here's some stuff from there.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Mainstream_Media/Media_AmerIgnorance_ForPol.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Asia/Oil_WarIran.html
It's hard to form an opinion in cases like this because it's hard to be sure if we're basing our opinions on the correct information.
I wouldn't take anything the American mainstream press says seriously.
http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/chossudovsky/warpropaganda.htm
http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/chossudovsky/fabricatingenemy.htm
Here's some good stuff in the alternative press about Iran.
http://www.zmag.org/iranwatch/Iranwatch.cfm
I've only had the opportunity to talk to one person from Iran lately. He told me that after the US lost Iran as a colony in 79 and lost all that free oil, it started planning a way to get it back. He told me that the war with Iraq was part of the long term plan to weaken Iran so that they could eventually take it back by force. According to this Iranian, the US was able to get Iraq to start the war with Iran. Iran lost a lot of men that would now be high level technicians in the military.
Of course I don't know if any of that reflects reality; it's just something to think about.
The threat of a US attack to get back the free oil it used to get is a very real thing from the Iranian perspective. They have very valid reasons for wanting to be capable of deterring a potential US attack. If the US only wanted to keep Iran from getting weapons to keep the world safe and nothing more, it would publicly apologize for having stolen it's oil from 1953 to 1979 and it would promise not to try to get control of Iran again--overtly or covertly. It doesn't even recognize that it used to steal Iran's oil or any of the other things it used to do to maintain the situation.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/Perpetual_Crises_2_CTW.html
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The Shah's word was law, and he repressed those who opposed him, not only through SAVAK, the umbrella security organization the CIA had created and Israelis trained, but by systematic control over the press, labor, universities, and any institution capable of undermining his absolute power. SAVAK operated a vast system of informers and agents and used torture routinely, and in 1974-75 had, at the least, some thousands in its prisons-although the opposition claimed twenty-five thousand to a hundred thousand. After 1971, when resistance to the Shah's policies from especially middle-class and educated constituencies began to increase, SAVAK was especially active and brutal, and its close relationship with the CIA further identified the United States with their oppressors in the minds of the population. This linkage actually involved a division of labor: SAVAK told the CIA about Iranian internal affairs, becoming its nearly exclusive source of information, while the CIA agents in Iran concentrated on gathering data on Russia and training SAVAK in a variety of techniques essential to its political work, including torture. The CIA also reported to SAVAK on politics among Iranian students in the United States. In early 1977, after the Carter Administration began proclaiming its adherence to "human rights" abroad, the Shah made cosmetic changes in SAVAK's work but nothing more, and its ties with the CIA continued until his fall.
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Irangate_Israel_TICC.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Middle_East/Blood_for_Oil.html
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American policy in this period was chiefly concerned that countries in the region did not come under the control of nationalist regimes. They had their first taste of that threat in Iran, when the democratically elected president Mohammed Mossadeq, with mass popular support, nationalized the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. In a coup engineered by CIA operative Kermit Roosevelt, Mossadeq was toppled and replaced by the Shah. The Shah's power was underwritten by massive infusions of American aid and upheld by the notoriously savage secret police, Savak.
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/RootsWarTerrorism_STATUS.html
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In 1957 Washington helped the Shah create SAVAK, the notorious security police force which silenced those who criticized the Shah or the regime. The Shah followed the trail of so many other dictators by creating a military intelligence agency. The repression was particularly brutal in the period from 1970 to 1976. He dropped any pretense of reform and adopted a policy of stifling police rule. The press was censored, people were arbitrarily arrested and harassed, and prisoners were systematically tortured.
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This is a sticky situation.
Iran might be a threat to Israel even if it weren't worried about the US trying to get back what it lost. I think it mainly doesn't want to go back to the old days though.
More than ten years ago I talked to some Iranians who were handing out anti-Khomeini pamphlets. They were anti-Khomeini and anti-Shah. They explained to me that if the US had never taken over Iran in 1953, Iran would never had ended up with a fanatical Moslem government. It's easy to understand why Iranians hate the US; it's responsible for a lot of misery there. |
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