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Difference...Nazi Fascism .vs Liberalism
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject: Difference...Nazi Fascism .vs Liberalism Reply with quote
The only real difference is that one was practiced with a gun and the other pretends to be democratic.

(1) Liberals give full support to unionism...so did Hitler...he gave speeches for the largest trade union in Germany.

(2) Liberals want the gov't to be the primmary supporter for the people...so did Hitler...quote..."We demand the state shall make its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens." Source: Hitler's 25 Points, NSDAP, 1920.

(3) Liberals attack the rich for existing on unearned income(investments)...so did Hitler...quote, "abolition of incomes unearned by work..." Source: NSDAP.

(4) Liberals have been trying to use gov't to take control of large corporations for decades...so did Hitler...quote, "Nationalize all business which have been formed into corporations." Source: Hitler's NSDAP, 1920.

(5) Liberals bitterly complain about business making profits off war...so did Hitler...quote, "...personal enrichment from war will be regarded as a crime against the nation...therefore, ruthless confiscation of all war profits." Source: Hitler's 1920 NSDAP.

(6) Liberals and unionist insist that industry must pay employees a share of profits in addition to wages...so did Hitler...quote, "We demand profit sharing in large industrial enterprizes." Source: Hitler's 1920 25-point NSDAP.

(7) Liberals have for years tried every trick in the book to take private land from owners. Liberals have used tools like environmental issues, right of way, etc...so did Hitler...quote, "We demand...expropriation of land for communal purposes...abolition of rent and prohibition of all speculation in land.

I could go on (and will be glad to do so if requested) but I believe I have already made my point about liberalism and nazism. They are the same animals, the same mindset and the same culture. The only difference, as I said above, is that one was practiced with a gun and the other is hiding behind the deomcratic monicor.

Oh...and Hitler was the first environmentalist head of state. He implemented numerous environmental laws throughtout Germany. Our environmental movement copied many of Hitler's programs...whether they know it or not.

Frankly, Hitler would do quite well in today's democrat primary as a candidate. Hitler hated capitalism & the int'l banking industry as much as the lib demos do today. If Hitler was to go around the country giving speeches from his 25 point NSDAP Plan, Feb 24, 1920, that I sourced above, I don't think Hillary or Obama would stand a chance.
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Tracker
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hitler also was among the first anti-smokers...lol. If you review the 25 points, smoking was banned at all meetings.
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lookwhere33
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: close Reply with quote
You just fall short from calling them communists, and Hitler was communist from what you said. What do Germans call communists by the way, Nazis?
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tracker wrote:
Hitler also was among the first anti-smokers...lol. If you review the 25 points, smoking was banned at all meetings.



I've never seen any prohibition against smoking mentioned in Hitler's 25 point plan. But you are very correct in that he was a health nut and advocated daily exercise programs for all germans as well as proper diets.

The Nazis implemented(as in forced) all of Hitlers edicts on health matters.

Point here...is that we see somewhat similar nazi tactics being used by the libs & leftists to force the rest of us to obey latest lib fads...anti-smoking campaigns in resturuants, buildings & entire states using lawsuits, etc...state & local gov't bans on trans-fats in any foods, etc
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject: Re: close Reply with quote
lookwhere33 wrote:
You just fall short from calling them communists, and Hitler was communist from what you said. What do Germans call communists by the way, Nazis?


Communism and nazism(fascism) are simply different sides of the same coin.
Both are 100% socialist systems that govern by the gun and by terror.

In the 1930s - 1940s, fascism was viewed as a more elite form dictatorial rule than communism. For example, German fascism rebuilt germany from WWI ruins, economic decay and turned germany into one of the most advanced nations on earth. Germans happily subscribed to it as did our home grown liberals back then. Japan's form of fascism also made Japan a world power and major economic force.

By contrast, communism was viewed as home of the dregs, ignorant masses and unkept hordes. Hitler viewed communists as groups of overpopulated subhumans and, quite frankly, so did much of the world back then.

Hitler was proved correct in telling the world that it has much more to fear from communism than fascism...very prophetic words...communism has killed more human beings than any other ideology in human history. And guess where you can still hear communsim get rave reviews...on american campus'/universities being preached by lib-lefists professors pulling down six-figure salaries from the americian taxpayers.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hitler was elected as a socialist..He became a dictator when he declared"emergency powers",on a fire they set themselfs..The rest is history..I cant tell you how badly you need to remove emergecy powers from every government.They already have all the poweras they need and in america much ,much more,thanks to a provoked attack..."they dont like freedom,they dont like our way of life"..That is the propoganda your told..The reason they attacked...They consider american air bases in sudia arabia to be an affront , contamination and it defiles their holy land.2.They dont like palastinians civillians being killed with american weapons,these are the 2 reasons 9/11 happenend....and to stop them you simply stop those 2 things.,fighting them will never resolve anything.Remove the provocation.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
marvinbighead wrote:
I cant tell you how badly you need to remove emergecy powers from every government.


No such thing as a gov't without emergency powers and this extends all the way down to tribalism...the lowest form of human social oder.

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They already have all the poweras they need and in america much ,much more,thanks to a provoked attack


All the emergency powers you're whining about come directly from the U.S. Constitution. The Patriot Act, for example, is the product of the U.S. Constitution...all three branches of gov't(Executive, Legislative & Judicial) approved that Act. If you don't like the Constitution, then get an amendment passed or go live in another country because you are in extreme miniority....no one will miss you...the majority of americans have no problems with this law.

Saying that we provoked the 9-11 attack demonstrates your ignorance about mideast terrorism. Muslim fanatics have been killing us since the 1970s. Muslim fanatics invented ski-jacking and the killing of innocent passengers more than 35 years ago. Al qeada is not a country or a soverign. It is a band of muslim thugs, murderers and rapists who are nothing more than subhuman international criminals claiming that a religion gives them the right to take over all soverign mideast governments and kill all infidels wherever they find them.

Apparently you forgot that Iraq is a soverign nation, with a constitution and a democratic parliment and the entire Iraqi nation voted twice for this form of gov't. If the iraqis and their gov't told us to leave tomorrow, we would have to pack up and get out. Kind of stupid of you to ignore the glarinig fact that the iraqi gov't and the iraqi people WANT US THERE!!!

There is NO justiification for the 9-11 attack and overwhelming majoprity of americans would love to get theirs hands around your neck for trying to excuse what al qeada did on 9-11 by blaming us.

The only thing al qeada is good for is killing, and that's exactly what we did and are doing. We wiped out more than half of al qeada at Bora Bora and utterly decimated the Taliban less than six months after 9-11. For almost five and years, the american 10th mountain division has been killing al qeada 24/7. This is what you do to islamic fascists...kill them...do not talk to them.

Osama is waiting for you...he appreciates your support.
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TB
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Re: Difference...Nazi Fascism .vs Liberalism Reply with quote
Why was it that there was still capitalism around for Hitler to oppose when the country was controlled by Liberals?
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You leave out all the points about how they would be willing to deport all non-Germans and stop immigration.

Furthermore prior to any electoral success they dropped the more socialist aspects of their program. Second they supported small businessmen,
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Point 16:
We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

There was further mention of this in later manifesto's.

As point 16 states they wanted to create a healthy middle class, strange since communists and socialist seek to abloish class based society.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 4:23 am    Post subject: Re: Difference...Nazi Fascism .vs Liberalism Reply with quote
TB wrote:
Why was it that there was still capitalism around for Hitler to oppose when the country was controlled by Liberals?


What capitalism are you talkng about?? WWII germany was a controlled economy!! The liberal state of socialist nazism owned/controlled most of the means of production and controlled all major manufacturing resources. Hitler hated capitalism and, in particular, he hated the int'l banking system.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
TB wrote:
You leave out all the points about how they would be willing to deport all non-Germans and stop immigration.


Why discuss Hitler's race cleansing programs??? That's all libs talk about. That's just about the only history america learns about nazi socialism. I'll let the libs beat that horse to death.

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Furthermore prior to any electoral success they dropped the more socialist aspects of their program. Second they supported small businessmen,
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Point 16:
We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.


Apparently, you don't know how to read. Item 16 that you quoted above clearly says that the STATE WILL TAKE OVER ALL SMALL BUSINESS FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMMUNALIZATION. Better go look up what "communalization" means and how it has been applied since 1917.

Hitler's communalization would be like the U.S. gov't taking over all small business in this country, setting prices, setting profits, elminating competition and inflicting a punishing tax confiscation scheme.


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As point 16 states they wanted to create a healthy middle class, strange since communists and socialist seek to abloish class based society.


For gods shake...don't you know that governments CAN'T CREATE a middle class. Only ECONOMIES/ECONOMICS can create a middle class.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: Difference...Nazi Fascism .vs Liberalism Reply with quote
deportliberals wrote:


What capitalism are you talkng about?? WWII germany was a controlled economy!! The liberal state of socialist nazism owned/controlled most of the means of production and controlled all major manufacturing resources. Hitler hated capitalism and, in particular, he hated the int'l banking system.


During the Weimar period the government was largely made up of what you would term liberals. I am not talking about WWII Germany, i am talking about before Hitler came to power.

Sorry before he was helped into power by the conservative elites
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
deportliberals wrote:


Why discuss Hitler's race cleansing programs??? That's all libs talk about. That's just about the only history america learns about nazi socialism. I'll let the libs beat that horse to death.


This does not explicitly talk about the Nazi racial cleansing programs. this is talking about deporting them. In my experience people who have taken a similar line to you have also claimed that 'liberals' are just lining up to let immigrants into the country.


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Furthermore prior to any electoral success they dropped the more socialist aspects of their program. Second they supported small businessmen,
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Point 16:
We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.


Apparently, you don't know how to read. Item 16 that you quoted above clearly says that the STATE WILL TAKE OVER ALL SMALL BUSINESS FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMMUNALIZATION. Better go look up what "communalization" means and how it has been applied since 1917.

Hitler's communalization would be like the U.S. gov't taking over all small business in this country, setting prices, setting profits, elminating competition and inflicting a punishing tax confiscation scheme.


No it called for the communalization of the 'great warehouses' and their being least at low cost to small firms, so either YOU cannot read or you did not read the entire post. This is more like destroying monopolies than destroying capitalism.

If everyone in germany was so concerned with destroying capitalism so as to vote in their millions for Hitler during the presidential elections, why then did they vote for the NSDAP which initially had very little support, instead of the KPD who had a greater number of seats in the reichstag?
Similarly why were 60% of NSDAP voters from the middle and upper classes?
Why did the SA count many members of the freikorps in their ranks, men who spent the first years of Weimar mercilessly crushing communist uprisings?


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For gods shake...don't you know that governments CAN'T CREATE a middle class. Only ECONOMIES/ECONOMICS can create a middle class.


I understand this and i did not assert that governments can create them. What i WAS saying was that the NSDAP stated that they wished to see the creation of a middle class, something which no communist or socialist would desire.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Difference...Nazi Fascism .vs Liberalism Reply with quote
TB wrote:

During the Weimar period the government was largely made up of what you would term liberals. I am not talking about WWII Germany, i am talking about before Hitler came to power.


You never mentioned a word about the so-called Weimer Republic. We've been discussing nazi fascism .vs liberals and the last time I checked the nazi party was Hitler's party, not Weimer's.

The Weimer period you speak of was plagued with constant instability. If he wasn't under attack from communists or anarchists(liberals), then he was suffering back-breaking strikes by unions(more liberals).
Yes, the Weimer gov't was a collection of liberals but their policies were rejected outright by the working classes. It was Hitler's version of liberalism(gov't controlled socialism) that beguiled much of the german population to vote him inrto office.

The so-called conservative elites you speak of voted against Hitler. These conservatives were concentrated(in terms of population) in Berlin and Berlin was one city that voted against Hitler. Hitler got even with Berliners by re-directing many resources away from that city to punish the population for voting against him.

Hitler was a 100% lib by any standard you want to use. He hated conservative values....individual rights, small gov't, low taxes, free enterprize, free markets, big business, free speech, freedom of religion, etc.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: Difference...Nazi Fascism .vs Liberalism Reply with quote
deportliberals wrote:


You never mentioned a word about the so-called Weimer Republic. We've been discussing nazi fascism .vs liberals and the last time I checked the nazi party was Hitler's party, not Weimer's.


Perhaps i did not mention it by name however, from what i said i would have thought it was obvious what i was talking about. The NSDAP existed during the Weimar period.

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The Weimer period you speak of was plagued with constant instability. If he wasn't under attack from communists or anarchists(liberals), then he was suffering back-breaking strikes by unions(more liberals).
Yes, the Weimer gov't was a collection of liberals but their policies were rejected outright by the working classes. It was Hitler's version of liberalism(gov't controlled socialism) that beguiled much of the german population to vote him inrto office.


You are forgetting the Kapp putsch, Kapp has been described as a "rapid nationalist" and you know how he was defeated? Thats right, a strike, called for by the 'liberal' SPD carried out by the workers, in defence of democracy. and lets not forget how ex-members of the right wing Friekorp went around killing 'liberals'.
Hitler's Munich putsch was initially supported by several high ranking conservatives.
The German population did not vote him into office. It was the descion of Hindenburg who was encouraged to do it by people like Franz von Papen.

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The so-called conservative elites you speak of voted against Hitler. These conservatives were concentrated(in terms of population) in Berlin and Berlin was one city that voted against Hitler.

Every description I have heard of Berlin states that it is a traditionally left wing city.

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Hitler got even with Berliners by re-directing many resources away from that city to punish the population for voting against him.

Go on...

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Hitler was a 100% lib by any standard you want to use. He hated conservative values....individual rights, small gov't, low taxes, free enterprize, free markets, big business, free speech, freedom of religion, etc.


By the standard you use both anarchists and authoritarian communists are considered liberals. By any standard I, or any sensible historian, would use, anarchists are very different from authoritarian communists.
You have seen for yourself that this branding of everyone as liberals can cause confusion:
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What capitalism are you talkng about?? WWII germany was a controlled economy!! The liberal state of socialist nazism owned/controlled most of the means of production and controlled all major manufacturing resources. Hitler hated capitalism and, in particular, he hated the int'l banking system.


Find me a respected historian who argues that the NSDAP were a socialist party.

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