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reviewer
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 Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: Immigration process |
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| Should we make the immigration process simpler in order to be able to document the many undocumented workers in the US? |
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classyred
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: Reply |
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| I understand your point on this but I think if we make it easier we will see an increase in immigration and i think we need to think about that. |
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reviewer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Let's think about American history.
Has immigration been a good thing or a bad thing in general? Definitely a good thing.
We're a nation of immigrants. |
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julian4239
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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I would generally agree with you on making it easy. But the important thing is keeping it legal and fair. There are plenty of people who waited so long to come to the US legally. Granting immediate amnesty to a certain group because of political reasons is unfair and racist.
Immigration is good only so far as the people who immigrate to this country try their best to become lawful citizens and assimilate to society. It doesn't mean that they have to shun their culture. When the great immigration of the early 1920s occurred, the new immigrants did everything to assimilate into American society. They did their best to learn the language and become productive members.
There should be only one language in this country. I know English is not "technically" the official language, but it should be. |
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deportliberals
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| reviewer wrote: | Let's think about American history.
Has immigration been a good thing or a bad thing in general? Definitely a good thing.
We're a nation of immigrants. |
YOu cannot REMOTELY compare yesterday's immigration to what's happening today. Only a fool or blithering idiot would try to make such a comparision. |
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Superman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Why is it not reasonable to compare immigration from the 1920's to today's. We treated the Italian/Irish/German/Chinese immigrants much the same way that we treat Mexican immigrants today. There was even much talk of deporting all immigrants (especially the Chinese out west).
| Quote: | | When the great immigration of the early 1920s occurred, the new immigrants did everything to assimilate into American society. They did their best to learn the language and become productive members. |
This is incorrect as well. When these people came here they lived in ghettos spoke their own language and retained their own culture. The Little Italy's and Chinatowns of major cities were looked at like cesspools by the affluent members of society in much the same way the affluent look at the hispanic communities today. But perhaps im just a blithering idiot. |
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Beststash
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Joined: 23 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Superman wrote: | Why is it not reasonable to compare immigration from the 1920's to today's. We treated the Italian/Irish/German/Chinese immigrants much the same way that we treat Mexican immigrants today. There was even much talk of deporting all immigrants (especially the Chinese out west).
| Quote: | | When the great immigration of the early 1920s occurred, the new immigrants did everything to assimilate into American society. They did their best to learn the language and become productive members. |
This is incorrect as well. When these people came here they lived in ghettos spoke their own language and retained their own culture. The Little Italy's and Chinatowns of major cities were looked at like cesspools by the affluent members of society in much the same way the affluent look at the hispanic communities today. But perhaps im just a blithering idiot. |
You are correct to compare this present wave of immigration to the ones at the beginning of the 20th century. I also believe that these immigrants are very hard workers and just wanting to to better for themselves and their families. Does that sound familiar.
No matter how much the racists and bigots try and squash this latest wave and continuing wave of immigration they will not be able to and we will see our country much better off for it.
No, it is not a perfect world but we always have room for good people and no matter how much you see the "Conservatives - read bigots" oppose it - there is nothing they can do except cry and whine and act superior while their kids embrace the new citizens and welcome them to what was once the greatest country in the world. With high morals and control of greed - and decent leadership we can one again achieve our destiny.
I view these last few years as just a bad dream - brought on by scare tactics and lies but it will be over soon.
Peace |
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deportliberals
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Superman wrote: | | Why is it not reasonable to compare immigration from the 1920's to today's. We treated the Italian/Irish/German/Chinese immigrants much the same way that we treat Mexican immigrants today. There was even much talk of deporting all immigrants (especially the Chinese out west). |
I don't recall any of the 1910-1920 LEGAL immigrants that we took in coming here with bogus I.D.'s furnished by their host countries to enbale their illegals to get fraudulent access to taxpayer funded social services. I don't recall $billions of dollars being taken out of our economy and sent back to other countries. Although there were(and always will be) ethnic enclaves, the 1920' immigrants desparately wanted to learn english and adapt to the culture because this basic, minimal effort meant jobs, food and housing. I don't recall turn-of-the-century LEGAL immigrants marching in the streets demanding that their native language become an official second language or declaring that they are going to take back america or take over america while carrying the flag of their home country.
Your statement that we treated 1920 immigrants the same way we treat todays illegal aliens is beyond absurd. First, you need to deal with the reality that this entire national debate is over ILLEGAL ALIENS, not immigrants! Stop trying to bastard the truth for your politics. Now...for your absurd statement!
Show me where 1920 immigrants were treated to a plethora of human rights lawyers, had rights to numerous appeals to aviod deportation, had a major political party and an entire liberal judiciary forcing the citizen taxpayers to fund all their healthcare, all their education, provide them with housing subsidies, food stamps, free tansportation, etc???????? The 1920 LEGAL immigrants had none of that. Today's illegal aliens EXPECT that and more. For you or anyone else to say that we treat todayls illegal aliens like we treated the 1920s legal immigrants is nothing but pure lying B.S.
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The Little Italy's and Chinatowns of major cities were looked at like cesspools by the affluent members of society in much the same way the affluent look at the hispanic communities today. But perhaps im just a blithering idiot. |
They were cestpools and produced the highest crime rates. You have a real problem dealing with TRUTH!! If the affluent looked upon them as subhumans so what?!! I agree with their view. If today's affluent look upon mexican illegal aliens with the same eye so what. I gurantee you most of America has that same view and the mexican illegals brought on themselves. When you have the mexican gov't promoting the deportation of their poor to this country illegally that kind of policy is only going to produce hate and violence. That's why we have this little thing called IMMIGRATIOIN LAW just like all the other countries on this planet have. We are a country of laws and when you have one major group who effectively says screw your laws and screw your country i'm gonna take what I want because my gov't is backing me, then it's time to lock and load and put a full-press stop to such arrogance and anarchy. |
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deportliberals
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Beststash wrote: |
You are correct to compare this present wave of immigration to the ones at the beginning of the 20th century. |
No he is NOT! As usual, I had to provide that facts and details that proved him and you wrong. And, the issue today has nothing to do with immigration! The only issue on the burner is illegal aliens...they ARE NOT immigrants in any way, shape or form.
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I also believe that these immigrants are very hard workers and just wanting to to better for themselves and their families. Does that sound familiar. |
Then please explain why so many are committing I.D. fraud to get access to our health and social programs. Please explain why the IRS just reported that they have culled a list of 9 million bogus social security numbers that they know are being used by illegal aliens. Work is not even remotely the only reason why this illegal alien scum invades our country.
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No matter how much the racists and bigots try and squash this latest wave and continuing wave of immigration they will not be able to and we will see our country much better off for it. |
The only folks who have made this a racist issue are lying liberal scum like you, and the mexicans themselves since it is their race that represents 70% of all in the illegals in this nation, according the U.S. Cenus Bureau.
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No, it is not a perfect world but we always have room for good people and no matter how much you see the "Conservatives - read bigots" oppose it |
Better go check the vote count that blocked the amnesty bill two weeks. A huge block of democrats voted with republicans to kill that bill. Another fact that exposes you as nothing more than an uninformed, hate-filled liberal.
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I view these last few years as just a bad dream - brought on by scare tactics and lies but it will be over soon. |
Hey, if you don't want to live in this country that is ruled by law(not by men) then get your ass back to mehico or whereever you came from. The law says these illegal bastards are to be thrown the hell out of here. The law says there is already supposed to be a double fence built along the U.S.-mexican border years ago to stop this illegal scum from invading our country. Law says employers who hire this scum are to be fined and jailed. |
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deportliberals
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Hey...Mr Superman...let's expose some more of your incorrect comparisons of 1920 LEGAL immigration to today's ILLEGAL ALIEN invasion...bring it on!!
Let's walk through our immigration law, Section-by-Section, to demnostrate just how wrong you are. Let's get the facts on the table about how much illegal aliens cost this nation economically and in social services and health services, etc. Let's talk about the fact that for the year 2006, California reported for the first time in its history that the race majority in its prision system is now mexican...not white...not black...mexican!!! Let's talk about the fact that gang growth in this country has grown exponenitally right along with the illegal alien invasion.
There is NO comparison to the outright damage illegal aliens have done(and are doing) to this nation to what LEGAL immigration did FOR this nation at the turn of the century.
Want to see an instant reduction in fuel cost at the pump....get rid of the 15 million illegals.
Want to see school overcrowding and school discipline problems drop by half...get rid of the 15 million illegals.
Want to see the cost of fresh pottable water to your home go down, get rid of the 15 million illegals.
Want to see street crime & drug crime take a drop, get rid of the 15 million illegal aliens.
Want to see our economy recover an instant $30 billion that escapes to mexico every year, get rid of the 15 million illegal aliens.
Want to see some 13 border hospitals re-open and stay open to provide health care to AMERICAN CITIZENS in those border states, get rid of the 15 million illegal aliens who closed those hospitals by causing massive cost overruns and the draining of available medicaid funds.
I could go on...but...this is like shooting fish in a barrel! |
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TheGlobalSoapBox.com
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: |
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The only way to end illegal immigration is to reform the procedures in place now for legal immigration. Once that system is reformed the better we all will be.
The next step to end the flow of illegals is to start arresting business owners that hire them. Take away the reason for crossing the borders illegally, and they will stop coming here.
No jobs, no money, no reason to come north.
The next thing we need to do is round up everyone that is here on an expired Visa and ship them out of the country.
Unless we start enforcing the laws, there is no need to follow the laws.
What law do you want to ignore?
TGSB |
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Hideo Akita
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| deportliberals wrote: | Hey...Mr Superman...let's expose some more of your incorrect comparisons of 1920 LEGAL immigration to today's ILLEGAL ALIEN invasion...bring it on!!
Let's walk through our immigration law, Section-by-Section, to demnostrate just how wrong you are. Let's get the facts on the table about how much illegal aliens cost this nation economically and in social services and health services, etc. Let's talk about the fact that for the year 2006, California reported for the first time in its history that the race majority in its prision system is now mexican...not white...not black...mexican!!! Let's talk about the fact that gang growth in this country has grown exponenitally right along with the illegal alien invasion.
There is NO comparison to the outright damage illegal aliens have done(and are doing) to this nation to what LEGAL immigration did FOR this nation at the turn of the century.
Want to see an instant reduction in fuel cost at the pump....get rid of the 15 million illegals.
Want to see school overcrowding and school discipline problems drop by half...get rid of the 15 million illegals.
Want to see the cost of fresh pottable water to your home go down, get rid of the 15 million illegals.
Want to see street crime & drug crime take a drop, get rid of the 15 million illegal aliens.
Want to see our economy recover an instant $30 billion that escapes to mexico every year, get rid of the 15 million illegal aliens.
Want to see some 13 border hospitals re-open and stay open to provide health care to AMERICAN CITIZENS in those border states, get rid of the 15 million illegal aliens who closed those hospitals by causing massive cost overruns and the draining of available medicaid funds.
I could go on...but...this is like shooting fish in a barrel! |
Exactly! Why in the world people would put up with the problem is just....wow. My brother told me recently that he was friends with an illegal immigrant for 3 years and he somehow earned more money than our own mother at one point. How incredibly wrong is that?
The idea of arresting business owners that hire them is gold. But just across the street from where I work, there are a group of illegal immigrants standing by a garden themed store. Star Market if anyone is familiar with it. Well, the entire sidewalk surrounding the parking lot is crowded with them which are obviously flagging anyone down that they think might give them a job. Then the police come by and who gets taken by the INS? Aah, that's right. no one. We need to have a huge improvement on deporting them back to where they came from illegally and give us some breathing room. Which is why I generally support Confava, something supporting family values. |
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