Jeb Bush and the needle

Coda1108 · Mayor's Aide Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 130 Location: PA

You've probably read that Gov. Jeb Bush has suspended all executions because the latest executee took 34 minutes to "expire" which is more than double what it should have taken. Apparently, the needles were not injected properly.

Okay, so sure the person responsible should have known better... and the system should have made sure the person responsible HAD known better through better training, preparation, etc.

HOWEVER.... and sure I know I'm going to ruffle some feathers... And I know I didn't read all the facts of the case, etc. but let's be honest here, the only issue anyone is talking about is the guy or gal who did the injection. It's not like they executed an innocent man.

So if it took an extra 20 minutes for him to pass, then so be it. That's 20 more minutes he had to think about whatever it was that he did was so wrong. I'm sure he wasn't sentenced to death because he ran a stop sign. Whatever he did had to be pretty bad to warrant the death penalty... so should we really be this upset about an extra 20 minutes?

reviewer · Mayor's Aide Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 145

I think torture and inhumane treatment is wrong regardless of the person. Remember our Constitution: no cruel and unusual punishment. A drawn out and painful death is cruel.

Professor McGardee · Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

A topic only the "compassionate Bushite" could have brought to the table.

Way to give the vote to democrats in 2008!!!

bangfor1 · Mayor's Aide Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 88

It should take much faster than that, two to three minutes. If that's not possible maybe electrocution might be a quick way out although there had been incidents there too, flares shooting out. On the other hand why shouldn't they put them out by using anaesthetic or the drug itself could be mixed with anaesthetic.

reviewer · Mayor's Aide Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 145

Electrocution is not a humane death, either.

Personally, I am against the death penalty in all of its forms. I just don't trust the justice system to be 100% accurate. There should always be a chance of reprieve with new evidence.

Coda1108 · Mayor's Aide Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 130 Location: PA

I'd like to clarify something.... I wasn't at all stating that IF the issue caused the death to be any more painful or inhumane than if the injections worked properly, that it wouldn't matter. There was no indication the death was more painful, or even painful at all. From what I understand about lethal injections, the first of a series of injections creates a numbing and/or sleepy effect. There was no indication that this wasn't still the case. My only point was that they should maybe look at how the people administering the injections are trained, etc.

Professor McGardee · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:18 am Post subject:

reviewer · Mayor's Aide Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 145

The drugs used in lethal injections produce paralysis, and so an inmate could not indicate extreme suffering.

Coda1108 · Mayor's Aide Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 130 Location: PA

Prof & Reviewer,
Thanks for both your points... You provided info I hadn't know beforehand. I was under the impression the first of the injections was an anesthetic, but did not realize there was paralysis; nor that a Dr. indicated there was pain caused to an error on the part of the person administering the injection.

Once again, as a result of this board, I'm enlightened... thank you.

julian4239 · Mayor Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 211

Professor McGardee · Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:41 am Post subject:

julian4239 · Mayor Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 211

reviewer · Mayor's Aide Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 145

Creating mentally unstable criminals - who will ultimately be released - isn't a good idea for society. Further, even criminals do not deserve cruel punishment.