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liberalajp1
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Why do conservatives believe that Liberalism is wrong Reply with quote
Liberalism is nothing more than having the gov't helping the people in todays society and decreasing the poverty rate
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shinningstar
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There's nothing wrong with liberalism as long as there's always a good intention. Infact, I'm one of them. But sometimes our actions to make goverment solve the crisis in the society is commomnly misinterpreted by others.
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jimlup
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Conservatives believe liberalism is wrong because conservatives are generally ignorant.
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
shinningstar wrote:
There's nothing wrong with liberalism as long as there's always a good intention. Infact, I'm one of them. But sometimes our actions to make goverment solve the crisis in the society is commomnly misinterpreted by others.


Good intentions don't get it. When you libs repeatedly insist on forcing your failed good intentions upon this nation decade-after-decade, you then become ideologues not interested in facts or truth.

For example, liberal idiots started the infamous "War on Poverty" back in 1968 with LBJ's massive buildup of social programs along with liberal judges making totally unconstitutioinal ruling to enforce a number of those programs. What did you libs accomplish??? NOTHING!! Today's poverty rate is virtually the same as the 1968 poverty rate! Yet...the new lib-controlled congress is trying to push new social spending down our throats...you guys never learn!

Another example is the current minimum wage crap. Go to the Dept of Labor website or Bureau of Labor Stats web site or U.S. Census web site and learn that this country has roughly 150 million people at work. Less than 3 million work at minimum wage during any given year. Given that most of these 3 million people will be working at higher-than-minimum wage after one year, it is insane to raise the so-called minimum wage for so few workers...yet...libs are screaming about the minimum wage.

You house(liberal) is built upon lies and depends on the ignorance of the general population to survive as an ideology.
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phil
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Its the education really that does them in. They begin to realize that thier education gets them nothing.
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
phil wrote:
Its the education really that does them in. They begin to realize that thier education gets them nothing.


The most obvious thing that their education gets them is "arrogance" and their insane belief that they have some phantom right to run the lives of others. These two traits (that are so predominant in liberalism) have caused more wars than religion. Look no further than our own revolutionary war where the Big liberal King George III thought in all his lib arrogance & lib pompus enlightment that he could tax the hell out of and run the daily lives of people some 3000 miles away who were basically rugged individualist.

Liberals never learn...and when someone starts killing them en mass for their transgression against individual rights and their insistence that gov't is god, they go their graves thinkin' they've done good when, in fact, they have enslaved with their sick, arrogant ideology.
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phil
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Its all about the parking spot test. Here it is:

A republican and a Liberal both drive through a parking lot. There is a big HUMMER parked in one spot, and partially taking up the other spot.

The Liberal response: That damn hummer, thinks he can take up two spots....what an asshole. Im gonna key his car! War monger!!!! What a waste of money....

The truth is that when the hummer came to park, a truck was parked and took almost two spots so the hummer creeped in as close as he could. Of course the truck left leaving the hummer appearing to have taken two spots.

This is what I am talking about. Ignorance.
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DavidNYC
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Lets make the houses a duplex Reply with quote
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Liberals never learn...and when someone starts killing them en mass for their transgression against individual rights and their insistence that gov't is god, they go their graves thinkin' they've done good when, in fact, they have enslaved with their sick, arrogant ideology.


Kind of like how we took over Iraq and forced then to institute a government like our own in the name of our god as they slip into murderous chaos on the brink of civil war? Yeah. You are totally right. Conservatives know so much more than we do.

I think you represent all conservative republicans well on this site. You are a know-it-all that has posted in nearly every topic, ASSURED that you are correct with every response. Arrogance does not reside in any particular "house". It is in every person that thinks they are better than anyone else. That is why religious extremists kill each other, that is why we are in Iraq, and that is why you are sitting all day behind your computer, posting your inane opinions.
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: Lets make the houses a duplex Reply with quote
DavidNYC wrote:

Kind of like how we took over Iraq and forced then to institute a government like our own in the name of our god as they slip into murderous chaos on the brink of civil war? Yeah. You are totally right. Conservatives know so much more than we do.


Your equating my point about liberal arrogance and the damage liberalism has done to this nation, its culture(and other nations) to our freeing Iraq of one of the world's most brutal dictators...ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...only a liberal can come up with such outrageous insanity. Why is it you libs constantly compare apples to oranges. And to make these utterly insane comparisons you must lie out your faces, as you have done here.

First, you ignore the raw historical fact that the Iraqis were dancing in the streets when we took out Saddam's regime. Secondly, you also ingore the raw fact that the Iraqis want us there...seen the latest iraqi opinion polls????? Thirdly, no one forced any kind of gov't on the iraqis. The overwhelming majority of the country wanted representative democracy, not another frickin' dictator. No one forced the iraq leadership to draft a constitution, and no one forced the iraqi people to go to the polls to vote for their first constitution. And, no one forced the iraqi people to go the polls a second time to vote in their current gov't. As a matter of fact, it was your buddies(al qeada operatives & insurgents) who threatened to kill any/all iraqis who dare go to the polls to vote. Where the hell were YOU when all this was happening over the last two years?????????????? Show me a single instance of anyone forcing an iraqi citizen to vote for democracy or forcing an iraqi official/leader to vote for democracy as you claim above?

I can flood this web site with all kinds of news links covering the birth of Iraq democracy(post Saddam) and not a one talks about iraqis being forced to adopt democracy. How the hell do you force a nation of 23 million people to openly vote repeatedly for a constitution and openly vote for a parlimentary form of gov't without firing a shot at them??? The iraqis have had enough of dictators...30 years of Saddam Huessin was more than enough. Of course, liberals like you want advance your LIBERAL politics above the interest of the Iraqi people and above the vital strategic interests of this nation so you lie about the iraqi people and the U.S. Lying is what you libs do! It's all you have because fact and truth are never with you.

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I think you represent all conservative republicans well on this site. You are a know-it-all that has posted in nearly every topic, ASSURED that you are correct with every response. Arrogance does not reside in any particular "house". It is in every person that thinks they are better than anyone else


It doesn't surprise me that the uninformed defends themselves by calling those of us who are informed & researched "arrogant' or "know-it-alls." This is a typical liberal tact conservatives see often. What you're attempting to do is draw attention away from your inability to defend the indefensible(liberalism) and to mask the fact that you are truly "fact-challenged." You think you'll somehow establish a tad of credibility for yourself by doing what liberals do best...personal insults and/or name-calling.

I've invited ever liberal here to engage in debate using facts and legitimate sources on any topic in today's political arena. I've yet to see a single lib who can demonstrate even basic truths and hard facts on topics ranging from welfare to the Iraqi war. All I've seen are lies and more lies regurgitated from moronic/juvenile blog sites or leftist hate sites. No facts...No legitimate sources...just hate and lies...the liberals domain!

And, your post is just another example...nothing but insults. Since you brought up the topic of Iraq, let me know when you're ready to discuss the actual, provable history of the March 2003 U.S.-coalition removal of Saddam's regime....called..."Operation Iraqi Freedom." Just the FACTS!

Oh...here's a fact for you. If the Iraqi gov't told us to pack up and leave tomorrow we would have no other choice but to leave. Iraq is a soverign, constitutionally elected gov't. We stay in Iraq at their pleasure.
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Why do conservatives believe that Liberalism is wrong Reply with quote
liberalajp1 wrote:
Liberalism is nothing more than having the gov't helping the people in todays society and decreasing the poverty rate


What the hell are you talking about??? The so-called "War On Poverty" in the U.S. began in 1968 with the liberal Johnson administration claiming it was going to wipe out poverty in this nation by increasing taxes to fund all kinds of new social programs.

The poverty rate in 1968 when all these new liberal programs began was 12.8% of population. Some 42 years later and $trillions of wasted tax dollars later, the poverty rate for 2005 was 12.7% of population!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hence, according to the U.S. Census Bureau (which is tasked with measuring poverty in this country) we created hundreds of idiot social welfare programs wasting $trillions of u.s. tax dollars to accomplish a silly one tenth of percentage point drop in poverty.

You do NOT rid poverty by raising taxes to fund silly, liberal feel-good programs for the poor. Poverty is a "behavioral" problem that will never be solved by taxing the hell out of productive citizens and giving that money to non-productive citizens. You do not tie up two thirds of this nation's budget on social programs, welfare spending & entitlements.

Let failed socialist nations like Germany, Britian, France, Spain, Russia, etc
spend themselves into oblivion and kill their economies by funding huge, massive welfare programs. Go look at their economies...not a one of them have 3% GDP.

Liberal welfare programs are abysmal failures...and so is liberalism.
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DavidNYC
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Your equating my point about liberal arrogance and the damage liberalism has done to this nation, its culture(and other nations) to our freeing Iraq


Because we both have completely different views we can do this back and forth crap all day. It won't get us anywhere. This is the difference between Libs and Conservatives. I know what is right, have no need to convince it to you, and will leave you to your lunacy. I am not going to bother arguing with you because you have an answer for everything (which happen to be facts and figures you take for granted, instead of investigating the motives or source). You will probably say "ha ha ha, typical lib, not willing to put up a fight, blah blah" Whatever. I really have better things to do and don't care a bit.'Wink'


Oh, FYI: Those same people dancing in the streets three years ago were found to have been staged, look into it. Even if it WASN'T, these same people are likely to be either dead or have left the country. Hundreds of thousands of people leave Iraq every month while the death toll is astronomical. Don't give me that bull shit about breaking a few eggs to make an omellette either. Tens of thousands are dead almost a million are displaced in outer countries and you call that free?! They are far from it brother. They won't be free either as long as America is there. You kill one terrorist, his brothers and friends avenge him. Its easy to say what is good for another country from your cozy computer desk while you collect VA disability benefits or retirement while patriotic bile spews from your every pore. "We are helping, we know whats right, blablablablabla" How many more people have to die before you say "Wow that's fucked up."? I'm curious. Maybe when someone close to you is killed by this war in 2 years and there is still no resolution will you in hindsight say "Wow, maybe this war thing isn't working." When is enough, enough? We are doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. THAT IS IDIOCY!! I equate all of you warmongers to the guy in Vegas that blows his life savings, then he goes back to his wife and says "Hey hun, give me one more chance, I can win the money back!" But you know he is wasting his time. He will never win. And neither will America. Wink
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
DavidNYC wrote:

I know what is right, have no need to convince it to you, and will leave you to your lunacy. I am not going to bother arguing with you because you have an answer for everything (which happen to be facts and figures you take for granted, instead of investigating the motives or source).


YOU know what is right???!! The last 50 years of liberalism has publicly disproved that statement. American liberalism is directly repsonsible for the moral decline of this nation, the abysmal decline in our education standards, creation of a massive welfare system that has grown gov't beyond all reasonable, sane proportions and, worst of all, you people have condemed literally millions of innocent souls around the world to death, torture & starvation by openly supporting our enemies: (1) communist regimes; (2) Hate-america dictatorships and now (3) islamic fascism.

When you say above that you are not going to debate me because I know it all...that is an open admission that you don't posses a single fact, a single truth or single bit of history that could possibly support your insane views. You have been given ample opportunity in this thread (and others) to rise to the occasion and support your views with facts & history but you cannot do this. Reason...you have no character and you have NO FACTS! You know that you are so uninformed and too lazy to seek the truth that you don't dare try to debate people who have armed themselves with the facts and the truth. In short, you're just too damn scared...cowardice is an accepted trait among today's liberals.

Where I produced accurate, sourcable history above on the U.S. proverty rate and the insane, wasteful liberal welfare state here and abroad, all you can do is blow hot air about the U.S. Census Bureau being a questionable source...no evidence from you to even support that silly charge. Where I gave accurate, sourcable history on the Iraqi invasion and reminded your dumb ass that Iraq is a democracy with an elected gov't, all you could do is announce that you know right from wrong and guess that the iraqis dancing in the streets was a staged event...yet you offer no proof.

YOU and the rest of your america-hating clan are truly pitifull...no facts...no history...no truths...just hate-filled propaganda that YOU are too scared to even attempt to back up when challenged by conservatives.

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Oh, FYI: Those same people dancing in the streets three years ago were found to have been staged, look into it. Even if it WASN'T, these same people are likely to be either dead or have left the country.


Boys and girls...look at this liberal's outright lie! He nailed himself with his own language. In his first sentence he delcares that iraqis dancing in the streets was a STAGED EVENT. In his very next sentence, he admits that his claim(staged event) probably wasn't true. This is a prime example of an ignorant, uninformed lib spewing outright lib propaganda without any regard for the facts or the real truth. This is why liberalism simply cannot standup against facts and truth...liberalism is about lying and deceiving!

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Hundreds of thousands of people leave Iraq every month while the death toll is astronomical.


First...it is nothing but liberal bullsh*t to claim that hundreds of thousands are leaving Iraq every month. Iraq is a nation of ONLY 23 million people living in 13 provinces. Only four out of the 13 provinces are experiencing actual fighting. The iraqis that are leaving are NOT fleeing the american forces. They are fleeing the terrorists and iraqi insurgent groups who kill and torture them for not cooperating with them. The iraqi death toll this uninformed liberal yaks about is primarily caused by terrorists and iraqi insurgents, NOT american troops.

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Its easy to say what is good for another country from your cozy computer desk while you collect VA disability benefits or retirement while patriotic bile spews from your every pore.


More lib Bullsh*t! Unlike you...I work and am not a ward of the state and do not collect any kind of gov't benefits or take any kind of retirement annuities. I am a productive citizen unlike liberals and those who support
liberals.

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"We are helping, we know whats right, blablablablabla" How many more people have to die before you say "Wow that's fucked up."? I'm curious.


We've heard this liberal fakery about deaths before. We listened to this liberal B.S. about how libs are all concerned about deaths and conservatives are not...before. You libs don't give two craps about any of the people being killed in Iraq. All you hate-filled people care about is your politics. During vietnam all we heard from you gutless cowards was stop the killing. Then, when Ted Kennedy, Chrs Dodd and all the liberals in congress cut off funding for the ARVN troops & U.S. air support, the communist seized south vietnam and proceeded to kill 3 million south vietnamese while Pol Pott killed 1 million cambodians. All these unarmed people were slaughtered because of you libs and your lies about being concerned over war deaths. More Cambodians and vietnamese(four million) were killled as a direct result of liberal politics than were killed in all nine years of that war. Be assured there's a special place in hell awaiting you libs...you gonna pay for all the innocent people your sick ideology has killed.

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Maybe when someone close to you is killed by this war in 2 years and there is still no resolution will you in hindsight say "Wow, maybe this war thing isn't working." When is enough, enough?


Illegals from mexico kill more american citizens each year than the iraqi war kills american troops. Mexican & latino gangs and street crime kill 25,000 americans each year. If you're so damned worried about U.S. deaths from guns and violence why don't you and the rest of the lying liberal establishment promote deportation of all illegals and ask gov't officials to send Mexico the bill for housing and feeding 365,000 illegal criminals that we currently have in our jails and prisions? Oh...yeah...this idea is politcially incorrect, right? Such a move would be supporting america and mean doing what is right for the country....and liberals just can't do anything that is right for this nation!!!
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DavidNYC
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing You are so full of Sh*t!!! Hahaha! I am a veteran and hold down two jobs. I am both a patriot and a contributor to the "system". You on the other hand are one of the biggest losers I have EVER seen in my life. I have seen your other "insightful" posts, where you claim "Abraham Lincoln was the worst president in history", and that "JFK was an SOB that deserved to die." What is f*ucking wrong with you dude? You can have this site. I am done with you. I would be happier if I could get you to leave this country before you poisoned the minds of our fellow citizens. Heres a FACT before I go for good you imperialistic demon swine Twisted Evil

TODAY - Tens of thousands of people waving Iraqi flags staged a peaceful rally in the southern city of Najaf on Monday to demand the withdrawal of U.S. forces, four years to the day since Baghdad fell to invading American troops.

Here's the news clip if you don't believe me, pig.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070409/ts_nm/iraq_dc_31

They want us out as badly as I want you out. Ha! Go ahead pursue your petty agendas on a website that only hosts 122 members (I'm discluding myself) No one cares about you or your views, that is why I don't waste my time arguing with you about your so-called facts and tunnel vision history lessons. Have a nice life. If you know so much, why don't you call into the lib radio show and let em have it? Because you know you are wrong and that the majority of this country doesn't agree with you. Haha! Have a nice life, loser. Wink Try to get out and see more of the world instead of just living in seclusion and bitching about everyone else. Laughing
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DavidNYC
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Illegals from mexico kill more american citizens each year than the iraqi war kills american troops. Mexican & latino gangs and street crime kill 25,000 americans each year. If you're so damned worried about U.S. deaths from guns and violence why don't you and the rest of the lying liberal establishment promote deportation of all illegals and ask gov't officials to send Mexico the bill for housing and feeding 365,000 illegal criminals that we currently have in our jails and prisions? Oh...yeah...this idea is politcially incorrect, right? Such a move would be supporting america and mean doing what is right for the country....and liberals just can't do anything that is right for this nation!!!


One more facteroo before I go, loser.
This is from your beloved President:


President Bush, rebutting lawmakers advocating a law-and-order approach to immigration, said Monday that those who are calling for massive deportation of the estimated 11 million foreigners living illegally in the United States are not being realistic.

“Massive deportation of the people here is not going to work,” Bush said as a Congress divided over immigration returned from a two-week recess. “It’s just not going to work.”

So instead he's going to make it legal for immigrants to stay in this country if they PAY to work here. So all the illegals that are drug dealers can afford citizenship now. That's grrrrrreat!

BY THE WAY:
When I mentioned the astronomical death toll earlier, it was the Iraqi people that we are "freeing" that I was mentioning, which is nearing 100,000 lives. That real honest hard working people, CIVILIANS. You f*cking clown shoe. You are so wrapped up with American lives, you don't care about anyone else. You and the rest of the nuts need to get out before you ruin America.

You want a source for publicity in Iraq? Here you go. Straight from the Iraqis mouth. Or you can believe what our government on the other side of the world tells us. I know asking you to grow a brain in a short amount of time is quite a feat. But please try:

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/us/fake_propaganda_war.htm

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/11/b13b472a-5743-4ea1-97a6-56e1bc1dd34d.html

http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/1081/IMC_540000_Iraqis_Displaced_in_Past_Year

NOW I'm done with you. Bye bye loser Laughing
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
DavidNYC wrote:

One more facteroo before I go, loser.
This is from your beloved President:

President Bush, rebutting lawmakers advocating a law-and-order approach to immigration, said Monday that those who are calling for massive deportation of the estimated 11 million foreigners living illegally in the United States are not being realistic.


Being a liberal we can't expect you to have much of a memory or retain facts since both traits would lead you to "truth," something you libs hate with a passion. However, in this very conference in the thread entitled "Where's All The Liberals" that I started and YOU READ, I said very clearly that I can't stand George Bush as president because he is NO conservative. One of the things I cited in that post was his ignorant, stupid stance on immigration. So...for you to now quote his ignorant, stupid stance on immigration to me after I already informed you I disagreed with him and your fellow liberals, demonstrates (as I pointed out above) that you libs are without memory and thus can't retain facts. It's called being stupid!!!

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So instead he's going to make it legal for immigrants to stay in this country if they PAY to work here. So all the illegals that are drug dealers can afford citizenship now. That's grrrrrreat!


Well...dumbass...Ted Kennedy and the liberal dominated congress of 1986 made it legal for 3 million illegals(including illegal criminals, etc) to remain in this country. The libs gave these 3 million illegals out right amnesty...these mexican turds didn't have to jump through any hoops, pay any fees, etc.
Turns out that less than one third of these 1986 illegals even bothered to seek U.S. citizenship...so much for the lib claims(lies) that all these poor illegals wanted was to be U.S. citizens. So...your bitch and gripe session above is pure liberal ingorance and liberal hypocrisy on display since you libs already screwed this country on this issue back in 1986 and now, with Ted Kennedy leading the charge again, you libs are going to screw this country again with the help of a very foolish president.
BTW...George Bush is dead wrong about it not being practical to throw out these illegals. The IRS is on record stating that they know where 90% of them work every day through the bogus Social Security numbers that illegals use. Bottom line...we know where they work...we know where the live....we know where their kids go to our schools, etc. We could make major sweeps throughtout this nation to round up this illegal scum. Stiff fines and major sanctions against employers hiring this scum would send the rest of this scum fleeing back to Mexheeico!

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BY THE WAY:
When I mentioned the astronomical death toll earlier, it was the Iraqi people that we are "freeing" that I was mentioning, which is nearing 100,000 lives. That real honest hard working people, CIVILIANS. You f*cking clown shoe.


Hey, dufus...why don't you learn to read?!! I responded directly to your point about civilian deaths, moron!!! I very clearly said that the majority of iraqi civilian deaths were at the hands of terrorists & iraqi insurgents, not by american forces. I also pointed out that the majority of vietnam and Cambodian deaths(CIVILIAN) were done by their own homegrown communists, not by americans. Communists had eradiction programs where they went into village-after-village to slaughter civilians by the bushle to keep all the remaining villiagers terrorized...more than four million civilians were killed deliberately by your liberal buddies, the communist. Now, what part of civilian deaths did I miss, clown???

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NOW I'm done with you. Bye bye loser Laughing


Any time you want to learn about your own country, our wars, our history let me know, but I must warn you that those awful things called facts and truth will just upset you again if you don't stay on your meds or smoke a joint before coming to see me. Now...go run and hide like a good uninformed lib!
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