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8 Reasons to Close Guantánamo Now

 
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Beststash
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: 8 Reasons to Close Guantánamo Now Reply with quote
It’s time to look at the powerful reasons to close Guantánamo, both the standard ones enumerated below—and also what may be the most compelling, if unspoken, one of all: Guantánamo must be closed because the United States needs to indicate that it has decided to change course. Closing Guantánamo will help to restore America’s standing in the world and in the eyes of its own citizens.

#1 It is a legal no-man’s-land
#2 It violates the Geneva Conventions
#3 Prisoners are degraded and abused
#4 Prisoners have no way to prove their innocence
#5 It undermines intelligence efforts
#6 It creates new enemies
#7 It alienates our allies
#8 It will signal a fundamental change of strategy in the war on terror

Closing Guantánamo is not about bowing to human rights concerns or even to the law. We must close it as a signal to the world that, even in the face of danger, the United States remains true to its values. Closing Guantánamo is a pledge of allegiance to the American past and to the American future.
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Freakin
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This could be a 'choose 8' multiple choice and I'd still be convinced...
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: 8 Reasons to Close Guantánamo Now Reply with quote
Beststash wrote:
Closing Guantánamo will help to restore America’s standing in the world and in the eyes of its own citizens.

#1 It is a legal no-man’s-land
#2 It violates the Geneva Conventions
#3 Prisoners are degraded and abused
#4 Prisoners have no way to prove their innocence
#5 It undermines intelligence efforts
#6 It creates new enemies
#7 It alienates our allies
#8 It will signal a fundamental change of strategy in the war on terror


Let's put some facts on the table and respond in number order:
#1 It's both legal and it's 100% humane.
#2 It DOES NOT violate the Geneva Convention. Either name the Article of the Convention it violates or admit you just don't know what you're talking about.
#3 The terrorist are not degraded/abused. They get culturally correct meals three times a day; they get full medical care; they are allowed religious freedoms and provided with copies of the Koran; they get daily exercise periods.
#4 All the prisioners at Gitmo are defacto guilty. Over 90% of them were scraped off the battle fields of Afghanistan shooting at our troops in different engagements. The Supreme Court just awarded certain legal rights to these animals to trials under the militiary UCMJ.
#5 Please explain how, in your mind, keeping some 300 terrorists imprisioned at Gitmo undermines our intel gathering efforts. This I would like to hear?
#6 Gitmo does not create any new enemies. The muslim world has been waging war against this nation since the 1970s, and have been killing americans since the 1970s. Holding some of their terrorist buddies at Cuba has no effect on how they feel about us. They've hated America for decades...hate our religious freedoms...hate our culture...hate everything about us. Letting their Gitmo buddies go will not make them like us.
#7 The only so-called allies that have been alienated have been France & Germany. Both of these socialist countries couldn't stand us before we invaded Iraq. Why in the hell would we care what they think now??? As for Russia, anyone who thinks Russia is an ally needs a brain implant. The Italians are leftist socialist who are virtually useless in military terms and didn't like the U.S. anyway. The important allies(Brits, Aussies, Kanucks and a couple of others) are with us and they are the only ones who are really important.
#8 How would closing Gitmo signal a "fundamental" change in our war on terror. I'd really like to hear this one???

The problem, Mr lib, is not GITMO, is not human rights, is not feeling good about ourselves, is not worrying about what the rest of the useless world thinks...IT IS ABOUT OUR SURVIVAL. Much of the muslim world favors world-wide islamic hegemony and believe they are destined to rule this planet with Alah's help. You libs don't get it because you think that evil can be reasoned with or talked to, ALTHOUGH THERE IS NO HISTORICAL EXAMPLE OF THIS WIMP TACTIC EVER SUCEEDING!!! This is why it is so important for real americans to keep you out of power and out of the way so we can ensure our survival by killing this enemy everywhere we find it.
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Beststash
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I refuse to debate anything as obscene as Gitmo. Wallow in your righteousness!!

Peace
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Beststash wrote:
I refuse to debate anything as obscene as Gitmo. Wallow in your righteousness!!

Peace


Folks...the above response is just another demonstration of liberal ignorance, and the glaring fact that today's liberals do NOT fact-check or source-check or show even the smallest interest in learning the truth. All they do is go to some lib web site or some other idiot lib source (that is also FACTLESS) and then recite this crap to the rest of us as though they are some kind of an authority!!

Note that this lib started this thread but runs when challenged with facts.

Note that this lib listed eight reasons to close Gitmo but runs when each of his/her reasons are challenged with facts.

Note how this lib tries to present himelf/herself as being "above" a Gitmo debate claiming that any such an endeavor would be "obscene." However, this lib didn't think it was obscence to start the Gitmo thread...didn't think it was obscene to present his ill-informed views EIGHT TIMES...only when challenged with facts does this liberal want to disappear and, in doing so, launch personal insults and name-calling.

If you learn anything from this thread, learn how today's liberals react to truth and fact...they hate it!!! Truth and fact interfers with their lies, their rumors and their inuendos. What this lib did is SO TYPICAL...present views that have no basis in fact....when challenged by facts & truths, attack with personal insults, name-calling, ridicule...BUT...cannot debate the facts because he/she simply do not know the facts, don't want to know the facts and don't want to hear the facts...welcome to modern liberalism!!
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Maxim
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: 8 Reasons to Close Guantánamo Now Reply with quote
deportliberals wrote:
#4 All the prisioners at Gitmo are defacto guilty. Over 90% of them were scraped off the battle fields of Afghanistan shooting at our troops in different engagements.


So, by that reckoning, you don't have any problem with the Vietnamese throwing American soldiers into hellholes like the "Hanoi Hilton"?

Fighting in war is not a crime. The reason the United States will not try these men is because in most cases, they have nothing to try them for.
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: 8 Reasons to Close Guantánamo Now Reply with quote
Maxim wrote:

So, by that reckoning, you don't have any problem with the Vietnamese throwing American soldiers into hellholes like the "Hanoi Hilton"?


Where's the comparison??? U.S. pilots who spent time at the Hanoi Hilton were uniformed combat soldiers fighting for a specific COUNTRY and were thus entitled to ALL the protections afforded by the Geneva Accords, which they did NOT GET because the communists(libs love'm) did not recognize the rule of law.

The terrorist scumbags that we scraped off the battlefields in Kandahar & Peshawar Afghanistan were NOT uniformed soldiers fighting for any known country, and thus were not entitled to Geneva protections. They were (are) terrorists thugs who were part of the al qeada & taliban networks and many of the remaining 395 detainees are so bad and so dangerous that there own countries refuse to take them back. Nevertheless, the U.S. humanely feeds these pieces of human debris three culturally correct meals a day, provides dental and health services, religious rights & exercise time.

So...where's your comparison now??? Your commie buddies in Hanoi beat, starved, tortured, killed and denied the moticum of basic human rights to our soldiers. The U.S., by contrast, babies the terrorist scum at Gitmo. Better think it through next time...get the facts also!!

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Fighting in war is not a crime. The reason the United States will not try these men is because in most cases, they have nothing to try them for.


Yes it is a crime if you fight for NO country...are not properly uniformed...deliberately target unarmed, noncombatants as was done in the 9-11 attack and elswhere since then; publicly declare a religious jihad with no state sponsorship, no state insignia, no state I.D. These people ARE NOT soldiers by any legal or moral definition and thus should be subject to summary executions when caught or slaughtered to the last man during every engagement. They are international murderers & torturers who recognize no rule of law and no form of civilized humanity due to their religious fanaticism. Kill them all!!!
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Professor McGardee
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not hard to tell your hatred of democrats and blind allegiance to Bush makes you a dangerous terrorist against this constitutional government of ours.
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deportliberals
Congressman


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Professor McGardee wrote:
Not hard to tell your hatred of democrats and blind allegiance to Bush makes you a dangerous terrorist against this constitutional government of ours.


Either show me where I've mis-stated any facts or provided any untruthful statements..OR admit that you're just a typical, uninformed america-hating lib who should be deported as an enemy of the state.

America is not for liberals...never has been! The Constitution is not for liberals. Liberals belong to the worlds of socialism, communism, marxism & nazism. All these ideologies hate individual freedoms, hate private property, hate christianity/reglion, mandate that everyone be equal, and that the state is God and must be obeyed. This is YOUR world...the world of quotas, gov't control, and gov't-ordered equality.

No...I don't hate democrats. I hate liberals. Liberals are the true enemies of freedom and from them spring all the sick ideologies I just noted above.
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Beststash
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
deportliberals wrote:
Professor McGardee wrote:
Not hard to tell your hatred of democrats and blind allegiance to Bush makes you a dangerous terrorist against this constitutional government of ours.


Either show me where I've mis-stated any facts or provided any untruthful statements..OR admit that you're just a typical, uninformed america-hating lib who should be deported as an enemy of the state.

America is not for liberals...never has been! The Constitution is not for liberals. Liberals belong to the worlds of socialism, communism, marxism & nazism. All these ideologies hate individual freedoms, hate private property, hate christianity/reglion, mandate that everyone be equal, and that the state is God and must be obeyed. This is YOUR world...the world of quotas, gov't control, and gov't-ordered equality.

No...I don't hate democrats. I hate liberals. Liberals are the true enemies of freedom and from them spring all the sick ideologies I just noted above.


Look around dummy - everyone you see except Gomer is a liberal. That is unless you go to the South and the conservatives still have the guilt complex happening.

Peace
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Beststash wrote:

Look around dummy - everyone you see except Gomer is a liberal. That is unless you go to the South and the conservatives still have the guilt complex happening.

Peace


Must be nice living in the world of fairy dust and make-believe! Over the last 28 years Americans sent four presidents to the white house...three of them republicans!!! For the last 13 years, Americans made sure that both houses of congress were controlled by the republicans and, after this last congressional election, americans gave control of the senate to the libs by one measly senator.

Last presidential election, more than 60 million american voters said they wanted Bush over Kerry.

More importantly, the only way liberals can get elected to office and stay in office is to pretend to be conservatives/moderate like Bill Clinton did.

So...why don't you take your advice, dumbass, and YOU look around...you're in the minority!!! As for the south, why don't you pickup an 8th grade history book and learn something for a change...like...no modern presidential candidate has ever won the white house without carrying the South. You cannot get into the white house as president without the southern vote...a fact that Abe Lincoln never considered!

Facts are hell on libs like you...the truly clueless ones...must be tough being so outnumbered...you can always try Cuba or some other communist country liberals love.
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Anonymous Mind
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Closing Guantanomo is a stupid thing, not only do we keep Terrorists in our custody and have learned and intercepted many of their terroristic attempts, but it is also a strong hold and entry point in to communist Cuba.
With Fedel close to the lgiht in the tunnel, there is going to be many changes, and it's a good idea to have an easy entry point into Cuba that won't be met with political disdain and resentment as in the Vietnam and Iraq war. Technically we would be entering our own territory.
And if the Al Quada gruops try to bail their terrorist Q'uran reading buddies, Id rather it happening in Cuba then on US soil.

The more strongholds you get in many enemy countries the better, its called tactics and strategy.
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rosiemcmahon
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
deportliberals, you sound naive, uninformed and overtrusting of those in power. I do not mean to offend you personally, but I object to your strong and also incorrect views. Guantanamo bay imprisons people without trial...in what way is that just? In what way do they deserve imprisonment? If you had been thrown in there with no trial, unaware even of what you stood accused for, would you have the same views you do now?
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