Soldiers are expendable

Beststash · Mayor's Aide Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 76

It is becoming very obvious that the only issue that concerns the GOP is not losing their remaining seats in 2008.

They are perfectly willing to sacrifice the military lives until forced or until they can justify leaving this damn mess.

It is disgusting to see GOP politics today and no one is being fooled - they are totally out of touch with everyone except those that drink their kool-aid.

Peace

James Rottnek · Mayor's Aide Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 65

Honestly the politics of the US are terible. Our nation, contrary to Republican beliefs, was not founded upon the ideal of a two-party system! It was founded on a no party or little influence party system. There are many laws that limit the possibility of a third party or independent candidate from winning office.

deportliberals · Congressman Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 704

James Rottnek · Mayor's Aide Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 65

I did not say that it kept them from creating a party. It only drastically limits the possibility for an election for a federal position to be won by a third party. These laws cuppled with the beleif of most Americans that only a Dem or Repub can win prevent many thirds from winning.

deportliberals · Congressman Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 704

RageD · Congressional Page Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Posts: 10

Taking this back to the original issue: the U.S. does see many of the soldiers expendable to just send to Iraq. But look at our casualties of this war. Take out the injuries and just take the deaths. Then take into account how long we have been fighting this war. By this time in Vietnam we had lost many more soldiers. Congress, as I stated before, cannot pull the troops out or just completely stop sending them because it would be too soon. Leaving not only the country very vulnerable but also it would be almost repeating what had happened in Vietnam. Troops were pulled for the unpopularity of the war rather than the situation calling for it. Granted, Vietnam seemed a little less likely to be won, but in Iraq it will have the same outcome.

Also, we have many U.S. troops volunteering to go. If the numbers get too low, there have been talks about the (unlikely) event of reinstating the draft. If you talk to any U.S. soldier who has fought in Iraq or plans/will go, they will tell you we're there for a good reason.

-RageD

rosiemcmahon · Congressional Page Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

Soldiers may be expendable. People aren't. If you think of those in the military as soldiers, you are merely labelling them as pawns on a chess board. They have lives, families and people who care about them. What could possibly make human life an acceptable loss? If those in power valued other's lives as much as their own, they wouldn't be dumb enough to go to war in the first place.

Northpaw77 · Congressional Page Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 1

This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a long time. Beststash, this is the most ridiculous, ill thought out thread on this forum. You talk like the conservatives have no souls. Don't even say that it doesn't hurt them just like any American when they hear about a soldier that has been killed in the war. Its a terrible thing to say that soldiers/people/the livelyhood of hundreds of thousands of families is expendable. You can't honestly believe that soldiers are expendable to anyone and if you do, you are dillusional and sick

alias · Mayor's Aide Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 98

SVTman · Congressional Page Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 46

i know alot of people i work with that want to go over there and are proud to volenteer to go i have a friend that just came back after volunteering to go. that is what so many people forget is that we volunteered to do this job. sure there are time when we don't like what we are doing but that is beside the point. It was the people that first said we should go to Iraq. you can say that is was a misleading government all you want but if people didn't want to go to Iraq we would not have gone. And let me tell you this that when it comes down to it people in the military would do what the people want before they would do what the Government wants. those men and women go over there haveing volunteered for the military to say that they are expendable is doing them a great discredit because it make you sound like you don't support what they are doing.

Villa · Congressional Page Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 16

Sent: Tuesday July 13 2006 12.28pm
Subject: Dude, Iraq sucks

My name is Michael W. and I am a 30-year-old National Guard infantryman serving in southeast Baghdad. I have been in Iraq since March of 05 and will continue to serve here until March of 06.

In the few short months my unit has been in Iraq, we have already lost one man and have had many injured (including me) in combat operations. And for what? At the very least, the government could have made sure that each of our vehicles had the proper armament to protect us soldiers.

In the early morning hours of May 10, one month to the day from my 30th birthday, I and 12 other men were attacked in a well-executed roadside ambush in south-east Baghdad. We were attacked with small-arms fire, a rocket-propelled grenade, and two well-placed roadside bombs. These roadside bombs nearly destroyed one of our Hummers and riddled my friends with shrapnel, almost killing them. They would not have had a scratch if they had the "Up Armour" kits on them. So where was [George] W [Bush] on that one?

It's just so ridiculous, which leads me to my next point. A Blackwater contractor makes $15,000 [£8,400] a month for doing the same job as my pals and me. I make about $4,000 [£2,240] a month over here. What's up with that?

Beyond that, the government is calling up more and more troops from the reserves. For what? Man, there is a huge fucking scam going on here! There are civilian contractors crawling all over this country. Blackwater, Kellogg Brown & Root, Halliburton, on and on. These contractors are doing everything you can think of from security to catering lunch!

We are spending money out the ass for this shit, and very few of the projects are going to the Iraqi people. Someone's back is getting scratched here, and it ain't the Iraqis'!

My life is left to chance at this point. I just hope I come home alive.

SVTman · Congressional Page Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 46

Hideo Akita · Congressional Page Joined: 28 Jul 2008 Posts: 9

Pulling out now would be an absolute horrible decision! You say that you want the lives to be spared, but think of how many will be lost if we leave them be now. Bush was right in sending troops in to Iraq to help defend the freedom we enjoy today. With them under watch and unable to make any moves against us, they do their absolute best to keep us safe. If we pull out now without a resolution, what exactly will the deaths of our people have meant?

Don't get me wrong, I have a friend whose going to Iraq in a year. I want the war to end, but I want it to end right. Giving them time to regroup and counter attack us is something I personally don't want happening. Our military is not comprised of people who didn't know what they were getting into. They knew the risks of coming into service and are defending our right to be free.