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Strategos
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Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 101
Location: Which solar system do you mean?
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:38 am
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Then you are wrong, it does not say do not "resist" it says do not commit to violence unless defending yourself, your family, or the greater good.
If the Jews had never "resisted" there would not have been Christianity.
Like I said before, you misinterpit it.
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James Rottnek
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Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 65
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:01 pm
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Those were cases before Christ died.
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Strategos
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Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 101
Location: Which solar system do you mean?
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:45 am
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Do you understand what you just stated above?
If the Hebrews, and then Israelites later have been non resistant and passive as you keep stating, then Chrieen stianity would have never born.
Please read old testament and new one, and show me where it says do not resist or be passive. Beleive me unjust violence and cruel taken and simply the love of violence is quite different from what is taought in bible.
When Jesus was going to be taken by the roman gaurds, his deciples protected him, they even attaked a soldier. Christ stopped them and healed the soldier, but tht's becasue that fight was useless.
But all othr battles in Bible and Old and new testament were different.
Pleased, get it right, you seem intelligent and I like you.
PS if i get something wrong make sure to point it out to me so i can learn k? thanks.
Cheers!!
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:26 am
Post subject: Re: Wars Solve Everything
Anonymous Mind wrote:
How do you think dictators, slavery, tyranny,.etc ever flourished or grew and why did they have power??
Ever bother to read a history book??? Numerous dictators have come to power without making war. Ever hear of Saddam Huessin??? Ever hear of Adolf Hitler??? Muslini??? None of the guys made war to get their power!!!! They made war to keep and expand their power!!! BIG DIFFERENCE!!!
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First no nation will willingly submit itself to any of the above, thus there has to be a war to conquer them against their will, thats why its called dictatorship, slavery, tyrrany,etc.,
What a load of pure Bullsh*t!!! Germany voted Hitler into power!! They willingly gave Hitler dictatorial powers at the ballot box!!! Same thing happened with Saddam Huessin!!! History is filled with examples of people voting in dictatorships!!! Ever hear of Hugo Chavez??? How about Danny Ortega...both are hardened communists and both have been voted into power.
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Be it a small one, a large one, no matter war is war.
No, war is not an answer
Wrong...war is the ONLY answer! Dictators and tyrants do NOT freely step down from power. They have to be removed by war. Show me a single example of a dictator willingly stepping down from power??!!!
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:35 am
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James Rottnek wrote:
Those were cases before Christ died.
So you're saying that war before Christ was O.K. but after Christ war is not O.K.??? So mankind all of the sudden was changed after Christ to not want to make war anymore???
Better read Revealtions...peace comes only when Christ returns to rule on earth. Mankind is NOT capable of peace in his fallen state of existence and God has made that abundantely clear in both the old and new testaments!!! It will NOT be man who brings peace to this world!!!
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Strategos
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Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 101
Location: Which solar system do you mean?
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Wars Solve Everything
deportliberals wrote:
Anonymous Mind wrote:
How do you think dictators, slavery, tyranny,.etc ever flourished or grew and why did they have power??
Ever bother to read a history book??? Numerous dictators have come to power without making war. Ever hear of Saddam Huessin??? Ever hear of Adolf Hitler??? Muslini??? None of the guys made war to get their power!!!! They made war to keep and expand their power!!! BIG DIFFERENCE!!!
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First no nation will willingly submit itself to any of the above, thus there has to be a war to conquer them against their will, thats why its called dictatorship, slavery, tyrrany,etc.,
What a load of pure Bullsh*t!!! Germany voted Hitler into power!! They willingly gave Hitler dictatorial powers at the ballot box!!! Same thing happened with Saddam Huessin!!! History is filled with examples of people voting in dictatorships!!! Ever hear of Hugo Chavez??? How about Danny Ortega...both are hardened communists and both have been voted into power.
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Be it a small one, a large one, no matter war is war.
No, war is not an answer
Wrong...war is the ONLY answer! Dictators and tyrants do NOT freely step down from power. They have to be removed by war. Show me a single example of a dictator willingly stepping down from power??!!!
Hitler was not concidered a tyrant by his own people until way after in WW2, and neither was he trying to oppress his own people, saddam, he was put in power by US, and iraq didn't really care, Mousalini?
He promised alot and shared the same view as many italians, he did not get up on his first day of office and say, "gee, im gonna kill a couple hundred people." no at first, like Hitler he was welcomed.
If you bothered reading and interpetting correctly what i said above, you would have noticed that i meant tyrratns that nobody wanted to come to power in the
first
place, thus obiosly, they had to take their seat in power by force.
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Strategos
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Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 101
Location: Which solar system do you mean?
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:58 pm
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Hugo Chavez? A tyrant? the man is a joke. He claims bush is Satan and preaches to his own gov and people about some self introduced religion he created out of christianity for his own needs.
The man is pathetic, and venezuela is no threat to anyone, and he doesnt hold it in a communist regime.
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:24 am
Post subject: Re: Wars Solve Everything
Strategos wrote:
Hitler was not concidered a tyrant by his own people until way after in WW2
Hey, dufus, what part of "Hitler was voted into power by the german people" didn't you understand. If the people willingly vote him into power then obviously they didn't consider him a tyrant....do you know how to read????
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saddam, he was put in power by US, and iraq didn't really care
Saddam was NOT put into power by the U.S.!!! Saddam shot his way into power killing his own uncle and pretending to be religious. The U.S. had nothing to do with Saddam's rise to power. Let's see your sources and data that says otherwise??!!
Mousalini?
He promised alot and shared the same view as many italians, he did not get up on his first day of office and say, "gee, im gonna kill a couple hundred people."[/quote]
What a moron!!! Benito Mussolini was a full-fledged fascist and he formed the Fascisti Party(nat'l Facsist Party) in 1918...mussolini was killing italians years before Hitler came to power. Here learn something:
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_mussolini
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If you bothered reading and interpetting correctly what i said above, you would have noticed that i meant tyrratns that nobody wanted to come to power
I read what you wrote correctly!! If you are not capable of correctly writing your points, why don't you take up coloring and get yourself a coloring book and crayons....
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:29 am
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Strategos wrote:
Hugo Chavez? A tyrant? the man is a joke. He claims bush is Satan and preaches to his own gov and people about some self introduced religion he created out of christianity for his own needs.
The man is pathetic, and venezuela is no threat to anyone, and he doesnt hold it in a communist regime.
You are, without a doubt, a thoroughly ignorant person. Chavez just took over most of the U.S. oil companies that engineered a developed the oil for venezuela. He just shut down the major free TV station there causing weeks of rioting and arrests. Most of the upper class and technocrats that ran Venezuela are leaving because Chaves is going communist. And if you don't think Venezuela is not a threat to us then get your dumbass over to the Dept of Energy website and learn that the 3rd largest source of oil imports for this country is VENEZUELA...what a moron!!!!
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Strategos
Mayor's Aide
Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 101
Location: Which solar system do you mean?
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:56 am
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You are right, lol, tell you the truth, i read alot of sites and articles after yesterdays posts.
And your right im wrong. See? thas how you prove something to some one.
Anyway more links and sources are welcome.
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:54 pm
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Strategos wrote:
You are right, lol, tell you the truth, i read alot of sites and articles after yesterdays posts.
And your right im wrong. See? thas how you prove something to some one.
Anyway more links and sources are welcome.
It is NOT my responsibility to educate you or keep you on the cutting edge of history or current events. If you're gonna participate in political debates it is YOUR responsibility to show up informed. You cannot expect others to provide non-stop links or sources to you just because you are not prepard.
I should not have had to explain the Hugo Chavez situation to you nor should I have to point out that Venezuela is our 3rd largest oil importing nation...these simple facts have been in all the papers and on many news networks....this is NOT information that requires any great research effort...it's basic common knowledge to anyone interested in politics or geopolitics.
Instead of asking me to provide your lazy butt with links, you should have taken the intiative and keyed up hugo chavez in your search block. You would have found tons of current articles about that little commie bastard.
Ask for links only after you've tried to locate topics on your own.
Much of the stuff I've typed from Abe Lincoln starting the war to CBO numbers showing that we spend 66 cents of every tax dollar on social welfare bullsh*t is common knowlege that shouldn't require me or others to search out links for you simply because you are uninformed. Still, I do provide links...more links and legitimate sources than anyother poster I've seen since I've been at this site.
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SVTman
Congressional Page
Joined: 08 Nov 2007
Posts: 46
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:58 am
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well i would have to say that that was alittle harsh considering that most people come on to a forum to listen learn and debate and that is what happened. so i am glad for him if he learned something. and i would think that you would be alittle proud of yourself because you were the one that taught him. about war. It will always be there and i think that it is not that we need it it is that we will never be able to get rid of it so you might as well get used to it. And to say that war hurts the economy ww2 was what got us out of the depression. in the long run i am sure that it can start to hurt the economy but that goes hand in hand with how many people suport the war. if no one like the war then it will not make any money but that is one thing war can do is make money. it is kind of sad but it is the truth.
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