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We can still prevent war with Iran.
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trsiw
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: We can still prevent war with Iran. Reply with quote
If a pending war with Iran already concerns you, you can skip the rest and go directly to this link for StopIranWar.com: http://www.stopiranwar.com/ or to learn more please read on.

In 2003 the Bush Administration led America into a war in Iraq that could have been avoided, for reasons that were not necessary. Four years, thousands of lives, and hundreds of billions of dollars later, we are still paying for that mistake. Yet we now find ourselves facing another war in the Middle East, this time with Iran.

The rhetoric is becoming heated. American politicians from both Parties assert Iran must be stopped from acquiring nuclear weapons, and an American military strike against Iran is being considered. While plans for the next war proceed, our government refuses direct bilateral and unconditional negotiations with Iran. After 9/11 Iran made several peace overtures to the United States which were rebuffed or ignored. Meanwhile Congress appropriated millions of dollars to fund "regime change" in Iran. America may have legitimate issues with Iran, but Tehran has legitimate reasons to distrust Washington's peaceful intentions also.

We are locked on a collision course with disaster, but there still is time to change that. A group formed by some of Americas most distinguished recent war veterans; VoteVets.org, has joined with former N.A.T.O. Supreme Commander and retired Four Star General Wesley Clark to found StopIranWar.com to inform the public and lobby our political leaders on the urgent need for diplomacy with Iran NOW, before another war starts. Their message to our President and Congress is simple: Actively pursue all peaceful efforts to resolve our outstanding issues with Iran so we can prevent another deadly war.

Please visit StopIranWar.com at: http://stopiranwar.com/ to learn more and add your name there to the tens of thousands of Americans who already have signed petitions supporting immediate open dialog between America and Iran. And feel free to pass on the text of this message to others that you know.
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: We can still prevent war with Iran. Reply with quote
trsiw wrote:
If a pending war with Iran already concerns you, you can skip the rest and go directly to this link


How about that folks...the antiwar nuts are already protesting a war that hasn't even started and will probably never start in the terms of actually invading Iran with ground forces. Notice how the anti-war crowd doesn't even mention the fact that Iran has been exporting the islama-fascist revolution for more than 20 years to Lebanon, Jordan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now Iraq. Not a word from these peaceniks about Iran being directly responsbile for the training and outfitting of Hezbollah, PLO, Hamas, Asbat Al-Ansar, etc so they can go out and kill innocent civilians to establish a rein of terror around the world. No...all this Iranian terror doesn't bother the american peaceniks. They, are all upset about anyone doing anything to disturb the Iranian terror that plagues the world. The peaceniks stupidly believe that the war on terror can just be ignored and it wil go away. This is exactly what Bill Clinton thought...a man who did next to nothing to stop al qeada while it planned 9-11 for five years right under his big red bulbus nose. Also notice how these peaceniks failed to mention a single word about the latest issue driving this particular conflict with Iran...Iranian nukes...not a word about iranian nukes!!! Even the liberal UN says Iran must be stopped for gaining nuke capability. Yet...these peaceniks say DO NOTHING...LET'S ALL JUST GET ALONG!
These are the fools who will end up getting all of killed!!

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In 2003 the Bush Administration led America into a war in Iraq that could have been avoided, for reasons that were not necessary.


Only a major liar and america-hater would try to rewrite the Iraq war in the above manner. What are the lies in the above statement?? Author wants you to believe that this is a "Bush" war on Iraq! The author does not want to remind you that it was the U.S. congress(democrats & republicans) who voted TWICE to go to war with Iraq; that the american people also wanted war with Iraq by polling margins of 80% in favor. This is an AMERICAN war(not Bush war) being waged in Iraq. Also note the big lie about the Iraqi war being unnecessary. Last week, al qeada killed 157 iraqis with a single bomb in Iraq. Al qeada has been killing iraqis and G.I.'s for years in Iraq, but the lying peaceniks and the lying liberal-leftists in this country want you to believe that the war in Iraq is not about terrorism. Never mind that Osama bin Laden has already declared Iraq a terrorist battleground for his organization. Never mind that Al qeada terrorists are all over Iraq killing Iraqis. Never mind that Iran is pouring money and terrorists into Iraq...the lying american liberals don't want you to know this...even though the rest of the world's news services give daily accounts of al qeada and Iran in Iraq.


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Please visit StopIranWar.com at: http://stopiranwar.com/ to learn more and add your name there to the tens of thousands of Americans who already have signed petitions supporting immediate open dialog between America and Iran. And feel free to pass on the text of this message to others that you know.


Real americans will ignore this money-making scheme to fund the anti-war left. Boys and girls, this is a perfect example of a dying leftist peacenik operation that is using scare tactics about a non-existant war to get you to join their ranks...and...oh yes...can you send a small donation. Operations like this don't give two craps about this nation. All they care about is their anti-american politics and funding. There will be NO Iran war...you can take that to the bank. If we hit Iran at all, it will be from the air to take out very select, startegic targets...that's not war and don't let these idiots try to tell you otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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trsiw
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: We can still prevent war with Iran. Reply with quote
deportliberals wrote:
Real americans will ignore this money-making scheme to fund the anti-war left. Boys and girls, this is a perfect example of a dying leftist peacenik operation that is using scare tactics about a non-existant war to get you to join their ranks


deportliberals, the name you use on this forum tells me what I need to know about what you consider to be real American values, what America stands for, and what makes America great. And isn't it interesting that it is usually chickenhawk draft dodging conservatives in the mold of Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh who argue for war while calling men like General Wesley Clark and the war veterans who make up VoteVets.org unamerican leftist peaceniks?

By the way, polls taken of Americans at the time showed that the public wanted the United Nations inspectors inside Iran to continue their work rather than forcing them out so the United States could invade Iraq. That was what most Americans supported all along, and if the inspectors had been allowed to continue their work there would be no threat from Iraq today.

It is because we invaded Iraq that Al Quaeda now has secure bases training terrorists inside Iraq, they didn't before we invaded. The invasion was Bush's call, and it created very serious problems for this nation that are not going away anytime soon.
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trsiw
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
P.S.

deportliberals said:

"If we hit Iran at all, it will be from the air to take out very select, startegic targets...that's not war and don't let these idiots try to tell you otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

And it was said that our troops would be met with flowers by the people of Iraq. Several months after we invaded Iraq it was also said: "Mission Accomplished".

I agree with deportliberals that military conflict with Iran would start as he or she describes it. I disagree that it would end with that.
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: We can still prevent war with Iran. Reply with quote
trsiw wrote:

deportliberals, the name you use on this forum tells me what I need to know about what you consider to be real American values, what America stands for, and what makes America great.


Glad to hear that you get it...that you understand that it is not head-in-the-sand liberalism that has made America great; that you are able to freely express your opinions here because others stepped up to the plate and took on the Irans of the world during the 20th century and will do so again in the 21st century so people like you can piss, whine and moan against this nation defending itself while others bleed for the freedoms you're too scared to fight for....

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And isn't it interesting that it is usually chickenhawk draft dodging conservatives in the mold of Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh who argue for war while calling men like General Wesley Clark and the war veterans
who make up VoteVets.org unamerican leftist peaceniks?


I'm a Nam vet and I joined...wasn't drafted. My father served in the Air Force for 25 years and his younger brother made a career out of the Army. I don't need permission from the likes of you or Wesley Clark to voice my objections to the peace-whiners no matter what rank they might be.
You're an outright liar about Cheny being a draft dodger. Cheney carried a 3A exmeption(as did a number of my freinds in the '60s & '70s) which meant that he was married with a child. This was a fair exmeption given all the other nonsense exmptions like academic, religious, etc. Back in the 1960s, few people could afford to go to college and most high school grads married and started families, hence the 3A exmeption. Rush Limbaugh had a medical exemption, I belive. Bill Clinton's academic exemption ran out and he was served with an induction notice. Clinton refused to report for induction and thuse became the REAL draft dodger. Hate-america liberals like you refuse to tell the truth...youi hate both facts and truth. Here I will hold you feet to the fire on both...you get NO free rides with me!!! So...the next time you talk about REAL draft dodgers you need only mention the name of Clinton and you will be correct.

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By the way, polls taken of Americans at the time showed that the public wanted the United Nations inspectors inside Iran to continue their work rather than forcing them out so the United States could invade Iraq. That was what most Americans supported all along, and if the inspectors had been allowed to continue their work there would be no threat from Iraq today.


Let's see your source for this absurd claim!! It was the UN(not the american people) who wanted to continue the silly inspection process that Saddam had so screwed up. Furthermore, WMDs inspections were not the only issue at hand. Saddam had committed 17 cease violations and we had intel noting that al qeada had made a number of contacts with Saddam's top military advisors...this fact was noted in the 9-11 Commission Report as well. Both houses of congress and the american people wanted Saddam gone, period!

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The invasion was Bush's call, and it created very serious problems for this nation that are not going away anytime soon.


The invasion was Bush's call, but it was approved TWICE by the congress and by american polling showing margins in the 70 to 80 percent in favor.

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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
trsiw wrote:
P.S.
And it was said that our troops would be met with flowers by the people of Iraq.


Once again, I must step in and correct this liberal with the facts. I don't know what planet this liberal was on in March 2003, but the rest of the world watched as iraqis came out of hiding and jumped for joy in the streets and jumped for joy when the statute of Saddam Huessin was pulled down by one of our tanks in Baghdad. Iraqis were running all over the place ripping down or tearing apart anything that had Saddam's likeness on it...jumping for joy at the sight of american troops, etc. See how these libs lie, boys and girls. This lib is trying to tell you that none of this happened when we all know better. Liberalism is a strange place...it's not a place of reality and it cannot abide truth. When a lib speaks always know that you're beling lied to....it's the safest bet in the world.

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Several months after we invaded Iraq it was also said: "Mission Accomplished."


A dead-on accurate statement!! The mission was accomplished. The mission was called "Iraqi Freedom." The mission was to take out Saddam and his military machine. That mission was totally accomplished!! Where Saddam once had the 4th largest standing army in the world, he had no standing army when we finisihed. Where Saddam was once in charge of Iraq, he was in hiding and later captured, tried, convicted & executed. The entire mission was to eliminate Saddam and his army...we did that! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, this liberal wants you to think that we went into iraq to immediately set up a democracy, etc. The mission was to take OUT Saddam...this lib wants to think otherwise to support his sad politics.

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I agree with deportliberals that military conflict with Iran would start as he or she describes it. I disagree that it would end with that.


Isreal is the nation with the most to lose if Iran becomes nuke capable. I look for Isreal(instead of the U.S.) to draw first Iranian blood.
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Folks...don't forget. This peacenik is trying to stir the pot over a non-existent war...no shots fired...nothing...and this is after the iranians just kidnapped british sailors in open, int'l waters. No matter what the Iranians do or how many innocent people the iranians kill, this peacenik will do only one thing...badmouth this country if it dares try to defend itself or its vital strategic interest! This peacenik is 100% anti-american!

Barking about a non-existent war shows just how desparate these misfits truly are. Ignore these clowns...history is full of these fools...they always cause more innocent deaths and longer, bloodier wars when they are in power...it's called history repeating itself!!!
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versu23
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
They don't want pace. We can discuss here many things about it but sincerly we cannot change things. The americans must act like a power. Wink
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James Rottnek
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Iran will defeat us if we fight in Iran.
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Strategos
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
And the facts or evidence behind that claim are?,
If they use nukes, then that will simply destroy them; the UN will enter the war to prevent the danger of a middle eastern country like Iran to posses nuclear weapons, and in a war between Iran and the UN, i doubt Iran would win.
If they use their own army, then they would simply waste more of our resources and theirs, and lose in the end.
If they use terorrist forces, well,then it simply proves they are terrorists, so UN will enter the war, just to make sure nuclear technology will not fall into their hands.

So unless you can back your statement above, I suggest you don't randomly say things which will almost certenly not happen.

Cheers!
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THR
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dumbya' declared mission accomplished in Iraq quite some time ago we don't need to invade Iraq after all mission has been accomplished I would like to see Dumbya' fight with the ground troops in Iraq he has no idea what these folks are going through!
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
James Rottnek wrote:
Iran will defeat us if we fight in Iran.



You're an idiot.............
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Strategos
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
deportliberals wrote:
James Rottnek wrote:
Iran will defeat us if we fight in Iran.



You're an idiot.............



Tell you the truth, i dont think so, i think just saying stupid, and random things makes him very happy. I just wonder how old he is, or whether he lives in a hole.
Probobly not though since he can post here.

Sirously Rottnek, do u simply enjoy saying random things?
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Strategos wrote:
the UN will enter the war to prevent the danger of a middle eastern country like Iran to posses nuclear weapons, and in a war between Iran and the UN, i doubt Iran would win.
Cheers!


You have a very uninformed view of what the UN is. First, the UN cannot delcare war on anyone. The UN has no soverignty of its own. The UN is nothing but a collection of misfit, 3rd-world countries who exist as blooodsuckers off the few, advanced civilized nations that exist.

The U.S. alone funds some 30% of the UN's budget. Militarily, the UN is a joke. The only time the UN has been in the lime-light of recognition where war making is concerned is when powerhouse nations like the U.S., Brits, etc actually did all the fighting. The UN is nothing but a collection of leftist gasbags.
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deportliberals
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Strategos wrote:


Tell you the truth, i dont think so, i think just saying stupid, and random things makes him very happy. I just wonder how old he is, or whether he lives in a hole.
Probobly not though since he can post here.

Sirously Rottnek, do u simply enjoy saying random things?


Well...he/she/it came here presenting itself as a 13 yearold. So far, it has lived up to that claim. At first, I thought that it might be interested in learning some history or current events but so far it prefers to stay in its primordial gue...fine with me.
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