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Scott
Mayor's Aide
Joined: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 53
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:55 am
Post subject: We Never Went to the Moon
These videos argue that we never went to the moon.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-7251089776146839385
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=8585273531105072202
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=7284336491671901968
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILnDZ5yl7D0&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfOMPeFk2Lk
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=740357581314190967
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Interview-with-Bart-Sibrel.html
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-73731341583788062
http://www.thule.org/brains/moon.rm
The people who made them did make a few mistakes but I think they prove we never went to the moon.
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:17 pm
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Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...that this childish nonsense is still being offered shows just what a sad state the human condition really is...and the level of immaturity that operates in the world of conspiracy nuts.
The Soviet Union, our deadly enemy and fierce competitor in the race to the moon at that time(1969), will be glad to confirm for all you america-haters that they tracked us all the way to the moon and back. If any nation, power or ideology on this planet had the incentive and overwhelming desire to say to the world that the U.S. never went to the moon and never landed on the moon, it would be the Soviet Union...who was left with mud on their face over this technological accomplishment.
The comunist Soviet Union acknowleged before the world that we went to the moon and gave us their congratulations; america knows we went to the moon and so does the rest of the world. Only the wacko fringe element is still trying to deny this fantastic accomplishment and their reason for such insanity is NO secret...just talk to any of them...they hate this nation with passion.
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lookwhere33
Congressional Page
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 3
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:19 pm
Post subject: the foot pring
There is enough evidence and what will you make of the footprint? The thing is that program will also have to be open for the public, for those who have the money so that there will be many people talking about it.
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:45 am
Post subject: Re: the foot pring
lookwhere33 wrote:
There is enough evidence and what will you make of the footprint? The thing is that program will also have to be open for the public, for those who have the money so that there will be many people talking about it.
You have NOTHING that even remotely resembles evidence or facts. What you have is pure rumor, ineundo, and childish, immature suspicion. There are NO Facts in any of your links. You do know what a Fact is, right?? There is ZERO evidence in any of your links...you DO know what constitutes "evidence," right?!!!
Now...how about telling us which of the SIX MOON LANDINGS you and your wild-eyed hate-america buddies think is bogus?? All of them???
(1) Apollo 11
(2) Apollo 12
(3) Apollo 14
(4) Apollo 15
(5) Apollo 16
(6) Apolloa 17
BTW, before the first moon landing (apollo 11 above), we had already been to the moon THREE TIMES!!! We did not land but we did orbit the moon in preparation for the first lunar landing....THREE TIMES!!!
The communist soviet union tracked ALL our landings and ALL our moon orbits. You think those american-hating thugs would not jump at the chance to come forward and denounce all those apollo landings as fake?!!!
They hated our guts and told us publicly that they would destroy all of us.
Let's see you proof (trajectory fakes, video fakes, comm fakes,etc). Let's hear your explanation as to how we kept some 10,000 NASA employees, scientists, engineers, pilots, etc from exposing such fakery to the american people for the past 38 years. You think some 10,000 employees can keep secret SIX fake lunar landings????????????????????? If you do, get out of my country, now!!!
Since you hate this country so much and take pleasure in dencouncing one of our most historical achievements, why don't you go live in a country that hates america as much as you do...say...Cuba, China, Iran, Syria, Latin America...you all can hang out and bad mouth america all day...until we find a reason to bomb you asses.
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leftseater/rightwinger
Congressional Page
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 7
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:29 am
Post subject:
If the US Gov
were
going to lie about landing somewhere, why on earth would they pick the moon?
Why not big, attractive planets like Saturn or Jupiter?
I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of some people.
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:22 pm
Post subject:
leftseater/rightwinger wrote:
If the US Gov
were
going to lie about landing somewhere, why on earth would they pick the moon?
Why not big, attractive planets like Saturn or Jupiter?
I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of some people.
Agreed...and there is a very scary component to this...these people can vote!
Lord help us!
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:32 am
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Hey, Scot...don't run away...still waiting for you to tell us which of the SIX MOON LANDINGS was a fake???? Like to see your evidence?? Still want to know how some 10,000 NASA employees have kept quiet about all this fakery for the last 38 years.
Please tell us how each of the six moon launches that the entire world watched on real-time video(not delayed time) was faked? Like to see your evidence.
You see, when you announce a moon launch you have the entire world watching. Media from all over the world comes to the U.S. to capture the event on video. You have thousands of engineers and scientists involved with every small step of the preparations, launch, landing and recovery. Scientists and engineers from other nations with radar tracking confirmed the lunar modules arrivals and landings on the moon.
Oh...and since we did six moon landings are you saying that all six (different) apollo crrews were in on the fakery and never said a word to anyone???
Man...this has got to be most sophisticated video fakery man has ever produced...unfortunately for you and your idiot friends...we didn't have such capability 38 years ago. Thirty eigth years ago most people owned only black and white TVs because color TV(as you I a know today) hadn't even been invented and there was no such thing as a color signal.
Captain Kirk and Star Trek had just started airing in black and white on our TVs. Computer video games didn't exist. Computers were still using vacum tubes instead of mirco-processors. GPS didn't exist! There were no emission control devices on any cars. FM radio had just been made commercially available for only a few years. Personal computers didn't hit the public market until some 16 years after the first moon landing.
There was no way NASA could have technically video-faked any of the six moon landings with the rest of the technical world watching our every move.
Go waste your time on something else besides trying to denounce one of this country's greatest achivements.
Scott...I almost forgot...did you even bother to listen to the introduction to your JemWork, LLC link. The narrator clearly says upfront that everything presented is THEORY ONLY. Also, you might want to check out your JemWork LLC link. They do stuff like "Encounters with Angles" and "Divine Messages." A Real creditible source. How old are you???
I see another link of yours to Choi Style productions. Are you aware that they are an hispanic production group who has absolutely nothing good to say about this country? If they're not presenting anti-Bush propaganda, then they produce stuff on american racism. Of course, in the hispanic world there is no racism, right.
Your sources are the typical lunatic fringe operations that are plaguing the internet with wacko anti-american tales, presenting insane theories as fact and sucking in the really stupid, uninformed people who make up the majority of today's internet users. No one embraces lies and raw propaganda more than the uninformed and the ignorant. Look no further than CB_Brooklyn for a prime example of what I'm talking about. He cannot defend ONE of his idiot postings from fact-filled scrunity. Just today he said that "speed"/"velocity" is not a factor in penetrating a hard surface.
Yet...basic physics says the opposite and years of clinical testing has proved it. CB_Brooklyn is one of the truly uninformed who frequents these childishly insane hate-america web sites and then regurgitates that crap at other sites. Get a Clue!!!
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:29 am
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Still waiting to here from you, Scott! I know you've seen my responses!
Here's why you won't dare stick your face in this thread again! YOU had no clue(NONE) that this nation had made a total of NINE trips to the moon and had landed on the moon SIX times. YOU thought there had been only ONE moon landing.
You didn't do your homework!!! If you had done just 20 minutes/ 30 minutes of research, you would have quickly realized the level of pure bullsh*t coming from all those idiot links you provided.
Let this be a lesson to anyone who frequents these wacko conspiracy web sites. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING UNTIL YOU'VE DONE YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!! And, one other thing, all of these wacko conspiracy web sites NEVER HAVE ANY EVIDNECE!!! They use tricks like PHOTOGRAPHS...claiming certain OBJECTS in these blurred photographs to be evidence supporting their insane theories...but...they NEVER provide real evidence!!! OR...they get some totally obscure so-called specialists/scientists to make wild unprovable statements using words like "may/maybe" or "theory" to protect themselves from law suits.
WHENEVER you hear the words 'theory" or "may/ maybe" or "possible" or "might" A BIG RED LIGHT SHOULD GO OFF IN YOUR HEAD!!! People use these words to protect themselves from being sued by legitimate experts whose works/achievements are usually being maligned by these nutjobs.
What's next, Scott?? Since you think we didn't land on the moon, I guess all the Mars & Venus surface photos sent back by our spacecraft are fake also, right?
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Scott
Mayor's Aide
Joined: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 53
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:31 pm
Post subject:
I've seen all of these videos and I've read a lot of the pro-Apollo websites. I think the websites are damage-control by the government. There are some things in those videos that seem irrefutible.
In "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" at the 30 minute 38 second mark it is alleged that slow motion is used to simulate moon gravity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-QIlsWhaw
Look at the movements in this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE&mode=related&search=
I can see a difference in the body movements. In the earlier missions "Slow motion" was used. In the later missions "Wire supports", or a combinations of slow-motion and wire supports were used. The body movements are noticeably different.
Also, look at the size of the reflection of the sun in the astronaut's visor in the first scene of the video clip. It looks like the reflection of a big light--not the sun.
Look at the size of the reflection of the sun in the visor of the shuttle astronaut.
http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/ig_65.13_sts51i_ox.jpg
The reflection of the sun in the Apollo astronaut's visor is bigger--too big a difference to be explained by the difference in curvature in the two visors.
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:31 am
Post subject:
Scott wrote:
I've seen all of these videos and I've read a lot of the pro-Apollo websites. I think the websites are damage-control by the government. There are some things in those videos that seem irrefutible.
You're no different from any of the other conspiracy nuts I engage. You refuse to even attempt to answer the simpliest, basic questions put to you. Just like CB_Brooklyn, your'e only capable of putting up blurry photos or video sound bites from unidentified/obsure people making totally unchallenged statements. Any of us can do this. Get a camera, some lights, a web site, an obscure "unknown" who claims some expertise in a particular field of study and is willing to push any kind idiot theory that fools like you need and must have. However, in your case, you're just another america-hater so you will support any and all wacko theories against this nation.
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In "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" at the 30 minute 38 second mark it is alleged that slow motion is used to simulate moon gravity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-QIlsWhaw
An idiot YouTube flick is your source??????????? Who is that bearded fool pretending to know anything about slow motion and wires??? Why wasn't he introudced and why wasn't his bonafides presented to the audience.
All you have is some unknown sitting before a camera, replaying a few old moon landing videos claiming to see wires where NO ONE ELSE can see wires and claiming that one of the astronuats jumping was really a slow motion camera jump, yet this buffon has NO evidence that proves any such thing. All he does is run old videos and makes statements that a slow-motion camera might have been used. For america-haters like you that's all you need to hear...is some jerk(any jerk), on a web site making a totally unproved, unsubstantiated claims with ZERO hard evidence...NOTHING!!!
Why don't you ask Mr. dumbass the same question I put to you..."how did NASA keep more than 20,000 NASA engineers, scientists, astronauts, field crews, mechanics, photographers, etc quiet for the past 35 years about
nine faked flights to the moon and the six faked moon landings??
While Mr dumbsh*t is stamering and studdering trying to figure out an answer to that question, you should also ask that loon why all high tech nations on earth at that time(Soviets, British & French) monitored & confirmed our moon trips and our moon landings. I'd love to hear his respone to this question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You and jerks like you can yak all day about a "reflection" not looking right or a photograph showing something unusual that only you can see, etc., but the bottom line for people like you is your obvious hatred of this nation and its accomplishments. Be assured(very assured) that this nation hates you back and be very assured that if good men had not fought and bled for this nation to protect your free speech rights, you'd be history..
Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out...america doesn't need you...doesn't want you. Wanna try to answer the questions I've put to you?? Didn't think so!!!
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Scott
Mayor's Aide
Joined: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 53
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:08 am
Post subject:
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Why don't you ask Mr. dumbass the same question I put to you..."how did NASA keep more than 20,000 NASA engineers, scientists, astronauts, field crews, mechanics, photographers, etc quiet for the past 35 years about
nine faked flights to the moon and the six faked moon landings??
Most of them were probably fooled. If any who knew the truth were to talk, the press would ignore them. Also, they would be endangering the lives of their whole families.
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While Mr dumbsh*t is stamering and studdering trying to figure out an answer to that question, you should also ask that loon why all high tech nations on earth at that time(Soviets, British & French) monitored & confirmed our moon trips and our moon landings. I'd love to hear his respone to this question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
According to one of the videos (I don't rememver which one) there was a satellite out there which sent signals which fooled the technicians who weren't in on the plan.
There are several possible explantions for what other countries did.
Maybe unmanned craft were sent that orbited the moon or maybe even landed and came back.
Maybe they knew about it. Our friends played dumb and our enemies used it to blackmail the government.
I heard that in Holland the newspapers were saying it was a hoax during the missions.
Documents that say certain countries are sure we went are not proof of anything as documents can be falsified. Published material in not proof of anything.
There are lots of cases of the official version of things being contested by reputable people in the alternative press.
Look at what this report on DU by RAND says.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/b04151999_bt170-99.htm
There were probably a few PH.D's working on it.
This woman has a PH.D.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-5109486402266517406
She holds the opposite view.
Look at what this person says about "Genetically modified foods".
http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2007/index.htm#11
Look at this.
http://www.rand.org/commentary/051204FT.html
This woman talks about how a lot of the science community has sold out.
GLOBAL NUCLEAR COVER UP part #1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3626298989248030643
GLOBAL NUCLEAR COVER UP part #2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7451332617120640846
The press and the school system is always drumming into us that we defend freedom and democracy in the world.
Look at the truth.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/
There are all kinds of examples of mass dishonesty by the media and the school system in the US. Why should Apollo be any different?
Here are some articles about the US media.
http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1993/93short-attention-span.gif
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/talks/9103-media-control.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ruling_Elites/BilderbergClub.html
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:32 am
Post subject:
Scott wrote:
Most of them were probably fooled. If any who knew the truth were to talk, the press would ignore them.
This response is a prime example of why conspiracy nuts like you are considered lower than worm slime and are hated with such passion throughtout the world.
Look at what YOU wrote in response to HOW could NASA possibly keep more than 20,000 scientists, engineers, etc in the dark about faked moon landings...YOU say..".most of them were probably fooled." PROBABLY!!!..."PROBABLY" IS NOT EVIDENCE!!! PROBABLY is nothing but an ignorant word device that you idiots use to keep your lies alive. It's called MAKE UP ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to support your ignorant conspiracy crap. In this case, YOU offer that they were PROBABLY fooled! Tell me, dumbass, if, according to your claim above "most of them were probably fooled," what about the ones who weren't fooled? Why don't you make up some crap to cover those folks...NASA kill them off...pay'em off???
Also, let's not forget that, in this very thread, I exposed the sad fact that you didn't even know there were a total of six moon landings...you didn't have a clue there were six landings until I made you and others here aware of that fact. You started this thread about THE MOON LANDING being faked...meaning one landing. Given there were, in fact, six landings you want everyone to believe that all six landings were faked and that more than 20,000 NASA employees were PROBABLY fooled each time. Please tell us which mental confinement facility you reside in so we can have your computer privilieges revoked!!!
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According to one of the videos (I don't rememver which one) there was a satellite out there which sent signals which fooled the technicians who weren't in on the plan.
Here we go folks. Now this idiot wants you to believe that back in 1969(first moon landing) there was some phantom satellite in orbit that sent special goofy signals to fool ALL the technicians who were not part of NASA's scheme to fool the entire world into believing that we landed on the moon.
Yes, boys and grils, this nutwad says he heard a rumor about some 1960s vintage satellite(only about two/three in orbit at that time) and that's all it takes(a rumor...zero evideince) for him to believe AND ADVOCATE here that ALL the technicians & scientists here and around the world were fooled by this phantom satellite.
Let's NOT forget the fact that we had only a few of satellites in orbit back in 1969 and they weren't even sophisticated enough to do weather. See how these conspiracy idiots make simply invent crap(any crap) to keep their world of lies alive. BTW...what part of 'lying, bogus sources don't you understand??? I have personally ripped apart(with facts) all the sources and links you've brought to this site. All of your videos are of unknown or un-named people sitting in front of a camera making wild, unsupported claims using blurry photographs or claiming to see something in 30-year video that no one else can see. Not a single one of your links provides any science(clinical or otherwise) to support your nutwad claims. Your links are utterly halirous and beyond juvenile.
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There are several possible explantions for what other countries did.
Maybe unmanned craft were sent that orbited the moon or maybe even landed and came back.
POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS???? YOU mean let's make up sh*t!!! Let's make up all kinds of unprovable scenarios like "unmanned craft, etc" to support our insane anti-american theories. This is why you jerks are so pathetic!
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Our friends played dumb and our enemies used it to blackmail the government.
Oh...some more madeup crap with no valid, documented evidence...lies and slander!! I know...let's inlcude the toothfairy also. It was really the toothfairy who guided all our moon craft to the moon because the U.S. didn't have the technology to go the moon.
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I heard that in Holland the newspapers were saying it was a hoax during the missions.
Documents that say certain countries are sure we went are not proof of anything as documents can be falsified. Published material in not proof of anything.
Published materials by valid sources that have been independtly reviewed is called SCIENCE!!! That you simpletons want to believe anything from any non-legitimate source to support your hate-america propaganda is your problem. I have exposed you and your sources as nothing more than pure frauds, and your few responses to my direct questions further exposes you as profoundly ignorant about the history and science involved in the Apollo missions.
BTW...what Holland newspaper are you sourcing above??? And what are the sources that newspaper is using??? Also...contrary to you nine-yearold remark that documents don't prove anything, this entire world functions on documents and their proof.
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There are lots of cases of the official version of things being contested by reputable people in the alternative press.
First, there are VERY FEW reputable people in today's so-called alternative press. Most of the alternative press is driven by hatred for this country or agendas designed to undermine this nation. These loons and hate-mongers are easily outed when confronted by provable facts. It's real easy to start a blog making wild, unprovable claims because there will always be an ingnorant element of humanity(YOU) who will stupidly buy into this nonsense.
As for things being contested(your comment), no one can legitimately contest something unless they can back up their argument(s) with genuine, provable facts. Anything less than that is nothing but rumor, inuendos and/or outright lies. GET A CLUE!!! YOUR LINKS BELOW ARE PURE JUNK!!
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Scott
Mayor's Aide
Joined: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 53
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:44 am
Post subject:
Why don't you analyze the evidence I posted in the ninth post of this thread?
Do you think that when footage is played at double speed astronauts will look like they are walking in earth gravity?
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deportliberals
Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:31 am
Post subject:
Scott wrote:
Why don't you analyze the evidence I posted in the ninth post of this thread?
I have looked at every link you've posted on this topic...probably the only person at this site to do that. Without exception, your links come from off-the-wall sources...many sources that appear to come from childish blog sites citing wacko-fringe elements of this society who are simply making up sh*t as they go along. Not a one of your sources has been subject to cross-examination(as in debate) and I guarantee you none of those physcopaths would ever submitt themselves to a serious, public cross-examination by REAL scientists because your buddies would be quickly exposed as pure frauds. The insane world of the internet is filled with these conspiracy creeps who crave attention and notoriaty by advancing their unprovable, ridiculous claims on the uneducated, uninformed and the gullible who are the only kind of people stupid enough buy such crap.
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Do you think that when footage is played at double speed astronauts will look like they are walking in earth gravity?
Just how stupid are YOU???? You can take any kind video footage and distort it by speeding it up/slow it down to change its presentation to an audience. It's an old trick!!! And when used(changing speeds) as a device to discredit men walking and jumping on the moon where there is virtually no gravity, only morons could buy into that kind of simple-minded manipulation of evidence.
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Scott
Mayor's Aide
Joined: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 53
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:28 am
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Quote:
Just how stupid are YOU???? You can take any kind video footage and distort it by speeding it up/slow it down to change its presentation to an audience.
Do you think real footage of an astronaut walking on the moon played at double speed would look exactly like someone walking in earth gravity?
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