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shinningstar
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| I agree of what you've said schatzi. The history of World War II made people realized to fight by all ways and means inorder not to be conquered. People experienced democracy. It's already suited in their mind to fight inorder to live freely. |
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deportliberals
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: |
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For America, it was the civil war. The civil war was a 100% cultural war that cost this nation more war dead than all the other wars combined...Revoluntionary War to current time, Iraqi War.
It was truly a war between conservatives & liberals by the standards of that time. One group insisted on smaller centralized gov't and the dominance of states rights as clearly stated in Amendment 10 to the Constitution. The other group insisted on the exact of opposite...larger centralized gov't, high taxes, and cultural dominance. Americans truly hated each other as they do now for the very same reasons when you exclude the slavery issue.
The reason I think the Civil War is so important is because today we are more divided than we were in 1861. We are seeing the same liberal-conservative cultural clash, same liberal-conservative divide geographically and, like in the 1861, this cannot be settled poltically. Neither side is going to allow itself to be dominated by the other side for any great length of time as has happened in the past...mass violence is just beneath the surface and it won't take much to get it out on the streets.
History is going to repeat itself...only this time, the right side is going to win. |
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Anonymous Mind
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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WW 2 without doubt taught every nation in the world more about prevnting such a war ever again under the same or different sircumstances.
WW2 ad its share of showing us what happens when someone's manifest destiny or racial views are being formulated by someone in a place of a power, a place from which those in power can make their views and opinions facts.
It showed to the UN the dangers of certain operations aswell as their outcomes. Geneside threatened the Jews, the Slavs, and many other European ethnicities and groups.
No war in the history of mankind ever taught us more. |
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RageD
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Negative - Vietnam. As mentioned earlier, it's given us many anti-war protesters but at the same time it's given us a sense that we can lose if we walk into things carelessly and don't try to at least finish strong.
Positive - World War II. WWII brought a technological jump because of the launching into the cold-war but positively started defeating the communist regimes of the world.
-RageD |
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Anonymous Mind
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Ah, im sorry, i misinterpitted what the author of this forum ment by us, i thought he meant us as in mankind, not just as a single nation.
But if it's as in the US, don't you think it was the Civil War? |
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deportliberals
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Anonymous Mind wrote: | | WW 2 without doubt taught every nation in the world more about prevnting such a war ever again under the same or different sircumstances. |
This is the exact misplaced sentiment we saw after WWI...the War to end all wars the world said. That proved to be a lie because mankind is simply not capable of ending war, period. Man will always make war and only fools believe otherwise.
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It showed to the UN the dangers of certain operations aswell as their outcomes. |
This statement makes no sense!! WWII showed the UN nothing. The UN wasn't even created until Oct 1945 after the war had ended. The UN is a collection of misfit 3rd-world nations who should not be allowed in that body since most of them do not possess the economies or the military to properly contribute to that oganization. These loser nations should be immediately removed from the UN. |
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Strategos
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Location: Which solar system do you mean?
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| deportliberals wrote: | | Anonymous Mind wrote: | | WW 2 without doubt taught every nation in the world more about prevnting such a war ever again under the same or different sircumstances. |
This is the exact misplaced sentiment we saw after WWI...the War to end all wars the world said. That proved to be a lie because mankind is simply not capable of ending war, period. Man will always make war and only fools believe otherwise.
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It showed to the UN the dangers of certain operations aswell as their outcomes. |
This statement makes no sense!! WWII showed the UN nothing. The UN wasn't even created until Oct 1945 after the war had ended. The UN is a collection of misfit 3rd-world nations who should not be allowed in that body since most of them do not possess the economies or the military to properly contribute to that oganization. These loser nations should be immediately removed from the UN. |
End of WW2. 8/9 May 1945 in Europe. 15 August 1945 in the Far East
The UN was formed because of ww2, and i never claimed it taught humanity enought to prevent war completely, simply to forsee outcomes and deal with it better.
So before you go around screaming this makes no sence, use your brain a little as well as he internet or local library. |
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deportliberals
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Strategos wrote: |
The UN was formed because of ww2, and i never claimed it taught humanity enought to prevent war completely, simply to forsee outcomes and deal with it better.
So before you go around screaming this makes no sence, use your brain a little as well as he internet or local library. |
Are you some kind of idiot?? My post was in response to Anon Mind, not anything that you posted. Are you posting under two names???? If you'd learn to read, Anon Mind said indicated that the UN was part and parcel of WWII...it was NOT. It didn't even exist officially until after the war.
So...you're positng under Strategos and Anon Mind...typical idiot! |
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Strategos
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| deportliberals wrote: | | Strategos wrote: |
The UN was formed because of ww2, and i never claimed it taught humanity enought to prevent war completely, simply to forsee outcomes and deal with it better.
So before you go around screaming this makes no sence, use your brain a little as well as he internet or local library. |
Are you some kind of idiot?? My post was in response to Anon Mind, not anything that you posted. Are you posting under two names???? If you'd learn to read, Anon Mind said indicated that the UN was part and parcel of WWII...it was NOT. It didn't even exist officially until after the war.
So...you're positng under Strategos and Anon Mind...typical idiot! |
Not it wasnt dumbf*ck, if you bother reading at all, i am anonymoys mind and strategos, and if you bother reading and using your brain at the same time, u might actally get something right! |
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deportliberals
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Strategos wrote: | | deportliberals wrote: | | Strategos wrote: |
The UN was formed because of ww2, and i never claimed it taught humanity enought to prevent war completely, simply to forsee outcomes and deal with it better.
So before you go around screaming this makes no sence, use your brain a little as well as he internet or local library. |
Are you some kind of idiot?? My post was in response to Anon Mind, not anything that you posted. Are you posting under two names???? If you'd learn to read, Anon Mind said indicated that the UN was part and parcel of WWII...it was NOT. It didn't even exist officially until after the war.
So...you're positng under Strategos and Anon Mind...typical idiot! |
Not it wasnt dumbf*ck, if you bother reading at all, i am anonymoys mind and strategos, and if you bother reading and using your brain at the same time, u might actally get something right! |
Well...if you're using TWO posting names then you just started doing it and the threads I've read up to this point did NOT make that point clear. However, it doesn't matter if you use three or four posting names, your stuff will still be nothing but rumor & lib propaganda as usual.i |
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Fastnought
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My observation...there were two
The first, Bacon's Rebellion (1676), then the French and Indian War (1754 - 1763) which produced the Proclamation of 1763 |
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bushmeister0
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I'd say the most important war this country ever got involved in was the Mexican War (1846-4 . If you think about it, we wouldn't have most of the southwest or California without it. Also, many of the American generals of the Civil War saw their first fighting in that war. And it was very much like the Iraq war in that there was much resistance to that war and the powers of the executive in congress and by some generals.
Congressman Abraham Lincoln warned about the drawbacks of the "untitary-executive" and pre-emptive war long ago.
| Quote: | | Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose. If to-day he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,-- ;'I see no probability of the British invading us'; but he will say to you, 'Be silent: I see it, if you don't |
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/bushmeister0/4
And Ulysses S. Grant blamed the Mexican adventure as the leading cause of the Civil War:
| Quote: | | For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war [with Mexico] which resulted as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory . . . The Southern rebellion was largely the outgrowth of the Mexican war. Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions. We got our punishment in the most sanguinary and expensive war of modern times |
Memoirs
http://www.sewanee.edu/faculty/Willis/Civil_War/documents/Grant.html |
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