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Mrs Wolfie Mayor's Aide
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 117
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject: Who will do the work without Immigrants? |
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| If we ban them from coming to our countries, who is going to jump and do the "dirty"work? Your thoughts... |
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MHJ Mayor's Aide
Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 118
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| They are already banned. It is just that the US decided not to enforce its own immigration laws and had not enforced them for over a hundred years |
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Mrs Wolfie Mayor's Aide
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 117
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| So the question remains. If we do enforce, who is going to pick up for them? |
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bangfor1 Mayor's Aide
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 88
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: There's no stopping them |
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| There's no stopping them, yet it's up to the government to come up with an arrangement that everyone can live with, because it doesn't make both economical and humanitarian sense to put them behind a wall that they'll jump anyway. |
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sam Congressional Page
Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| Trust me, I doubt that anyone is willing to do the kind of odd jobs that they are willing to do for such little pay. |
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wotan Congressional Page
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| If illegal aliens are deported and prevented from working here, perhaps we can go back to the old days when we had braceros. They came during the summer and left during the winter. Also many school aged kids picked strawberries and other crops during their summer breaks to earn money for school clothes etc. When a vacuum is created, something always arises to fill it. It might mean higher wages for Ag workers, but that wouldn't bankrupt the country. Illegal aliens by the millions will. |
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prue187 Congressional Page
Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 23
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| There is always a wrong connotion that American people don't want to do the dirty jobs. This is not the truth, In fact lots of us works for a little pay. It's just that the Illegal Immigrants are here If they earn 2 dollars per hour here they are making lots of money compared in their country. For instance I know that in some part of Asia a 2 dollars a day feed a family of five (2-3 meals). I know because I've been there and I did my research. Now employers here take advantage of them since they accept the low salary offer. It's not that we Americans are choosy or picky of the job this is not a fair thing to say. |
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reviewer Mayor's Aide
Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 145
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Then why are the restaurant and hospitality fields full of immigrants - even when they do pay minimum wage or higher? There aren't enough Americans who want those jobs. |
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Beststash Mayor's Aide
Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 76
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: Republican Party is a joke |
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I hear many that like to talk about laws and responsibility but for the most part in this country we are very selective on which laws we enforce and which responsibilities we take seriously. It is clear to me that no one in government has any intentions of dealing with the illegal immigrant issue at any level for two reasons - prospective votes and cheap labor. All the other rhetoric is merely a political response to get the heat off of them as individuals or to portray being "tough" on the law. In reality the fixes are not that difficult but the fallout is tremendous. The lock down of continued illegal immigration is a direct blow to employers and those who have split families in this country - I can hear it now - "What about the children?" and be assured both sides will be lobbying hard to stop or diminish any real action.
I think it is time to stop convincing ourselves that anything REAL will be done (it won't) and start thinking maybe about how we can deal with the problems of legalizing 20M illegals and many more to be on their way. Healthcare is one of the major problems, crime another, education levels are still another - to play like there is a real battle taking place is just more of this sheeple mentality that we love in this country. No more time for this - I gotta go watch a reality show!!
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deportliberals Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 704
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Republican Party is a joke |
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| Beststash wrote: |
I think it is time to stop convincing ourselves that anything REAL will be done (it won't) and start thinking maybe about how we can deal with the problems of legalizing 20M illegals and many more to be on their way. Healthcare is one of the major problems, crime another, education levels are still another - to play like there is a real battle taking place is just more of this sheeple mentality that we love in this country. No more time for this - I gotta go watch a reality show!!
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First, every census count I've seen shows roughly 12 million illegals, not the 20 million you claim.
Second, we are not going to turn our country over to the illegal alien hordes and, according to every poll I've reviewed for the last 20 years, 80% to 90% of america wants the invasion stopped. All it takes, is one smart politicain to ride this wave and he/she could end up living in the White House.
Third, every economic study I've seen shows illegal alien labor to be depressing normal wage scales at the lower end of our economic spectrum. Rid ourselves of the illegals and the market place will re-price that labor and more americans will take those jobs. Also, it is a lie that our farming industry relies on illegal labor. More than 70% of our farms are fully mechanized and do NOT require hard labor to plant/pick crops.
Fourth, the illegals are a major economic drag on our economy shipping more than $20 billion U.S. dollars out of this nation and sending it to Mexico. Also, illegals are directly responsible for the closing of more than 13 border hospitals and for draining costly social services aware from american citizens.
Finally, it is a lie to say that gov't is not doing anything about it. The federal gov't is being slowly dragged into the fight by americans complaining to their representatives. Also state and local gov'ts are passing laws almost daily against illegals and their local police forces are being trained by ICE to round up and arrest illegals. |
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Beststash Mayor's Aide
Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 76
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Republican Party is a joke |
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Finally, it is a lie to say that gov't is not doing anything about it. The federal gov't is being slowly dragged into the fight by americans complaining to their representatives. Also state and local gov'ts are passing laws almost daily against illegals and their local police forces are being trained by ICE to round up and arrest illegals. |
What "holy water" induced dreamland are you living in?? I live in Texas and to say that the government feds, state, local is doing something about it is just not true. I personally don't care and neither do most Americans - the irony is that it is popular to "dis" someone, claim to be against "something", and at the same time encourage it by your actions- I suspect directly out of the Rove playbook.
BTW - Call The Department of Homeland Security Immigration and Customs Enforcement report line at 1-866-347-2423 to report illegal aliens and employers. Then sit back and watch your phony government at work - it'll make you proud. The American public is easy pickings for those with an agenda.
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deportliberals Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 704
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Republican Party is a joke |
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What "holy water" induced dreamland are you living in?? I live in Texas and to say that the government feds, state, local is doing something about it is just not true. I personally don't care and neither do most Americans - the irony is that it is popular to "dis" someone, claim to be against "something", and at the same time encourage it by your actions- I suspect directly out of the Rove playbook.
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Typical lib...forms opinons based only on his/her little part of the world. Texas IS doing something about illegals...so are 30 other states. In '2006, some 57 laws were passed in more than 30 states to prevent illegals from getting employment, social services & renting apartments. Here's link...educate yourself:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-09-states-illegal-workers-x.htm
In addition, Bush's 07 budget funds an additonal 3000 border agents and a slew of high tech equipment to be used at the border.
Further, your comment about americans not caring is just about the most stupid comment I've heard on the issue of illegal immigration. I've studied polling on this issue since Reagan's 1986 amnesty, and every poll I've ever seen shows americans to be overewhelmingly outraged over illegal aliens by some 80 to 90%of those polled. Americans are furious over illegal aliens. Christ, look no further than the Aug '06 Zogby poll showing 82% of americans rejecting Bush's amnesty program...america wants these illegal bastards out of their country, period! 2006 Liberal CBS polling that shows more than 72% of americans want more than just a fence put up to stop the illegals...round'em up and throw them out.
For anybody to make the statement you just made about americans not caring shows just how out of touch with reality and facts they would be...such a statement goes beyond stupid! Get some facts before you try to discuss this issue.
Finally, what the hell does Rove have to do with this?? If you're lookin' for hypocrisy on the issue of illegals look no further than the libs democrats controlling congress. Although Bush signed THE bill funding the border fence, Nancy Pelosi and the other lib-leftists in that party are now saying that are not going to obey that law a release those funds...when america finds out what these insane libs are doing there will be hell to pay at the polls.
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BTW - Call The Department of Homeland Security Immigration and Customs Enforcement report line at 1-866-347-2423 to report illegal aliens and employers.
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Christ...you can't even get this right...to report an illegal to the feds you call ICE, not Homeland Security. |
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Beststash Mayor's Aide
Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 76
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Republican Party is a joke |
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| Quote: | | Christ...you can't even get this right...to report an illegal to the feds you call ICE, not Homeland Security. |
LOL - What do you think ICE stands for?? Try reporting some of the businesses in your area and hold your breath until you see the results!!
What does Rove have to to with this??
Karl Rove was overheard explaining the Bush amnesty immigration plan by saying, "I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."
Rove's comment illustrates how the Bush-McCain-Giuliani-Hagel-Martinez-Brownback-Huckabee approach to immigration strikes at the very heart of self-government. It is precisely Rove's son (and my own, and those of the rest of us in the educated elite) who should work picking tomatoes or making beds, or washing restaurant dishes, or mowing lawns, especially when they're young, to help them develop some of the personal and civic virtues needed for self-government. It's not that I want my kids to make careers of picking tomatoes; Mexican farmworkers don't want that either. But we must inculcate in our children, especially those likely to go on to high-paying occupations, that there is no such thing as work that is beneath them.
Not to worry - the GOP and their sheeple are soon to be history. Then the working people of this country can take their government back (and yes with about 20M soon to be citizens) and once again make this country great.
My prediction is that the term "Conservative" will take on a stigma much like anti-Semite or racist or maybe homophobe!!
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deportliberals Congressman
Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Posts: 704
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Republican Party is a joke |
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LOL - What do you think ICE stands for?? Try reporting some of the businesses in your area and hold your breath until you see the results!!
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You said to call Homeland Security for immigration enforcement matters. I said...WRONG...call ICE instead. As usual you are simply wrong, and I wanted to point that out. Oh...I know what ICE stands for; know when it was formed; know its mission and have some friends who work there.
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Karl Rove was overheard explaining the Bush amnesty immigration plan by saying, "I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."
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What kind of liberal, moronic crap is...."Karl Rove was overheard explaining..." WHO overheard him making such a statement??? What's your source?? Where Can I read this supposed quote of yours??? We don't do playground rumor here. There is NO way Karl Rove would every include any of his children in any poltical statement...politicians & political operatives go to extreme measures to keep their families out of the media. Let's see your source or admit that you're just passing along another lib lie.
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Rove's comment illustrates how the Bush-McCain-Giuliani-Hagel-Martinez-Brownback-Huckabee approach to immigration strikes at the very heart of self-government. It is precisely Rove's son (and my own, and those of the rest of us in the educated elite) who should work picking tomatoes or making beds, or washing restaurant dishes, or mowing lawns, especially when they're young, to help them develop some of the personal and civic virtues needed for self-government.
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As a lib, you're not making sense attacking Bush's amnesty program. Bush's amnesty program rewards some 7 million illegals with pathways to U.S. citizenship and allows them to make retroactive claims for Social Security credits. Every lib I know is for this program...libs hate white america and hope that amnesty will also hasten the destruction of the white culture....which actually built this country from its foundation.
As for what you think the sons of other people should do, mind your damn business and raise your own son. You libs need to stay out of the personal lives of others; stop trying to micro-manage child rearing and child education. How others raise their children is NONE of your business.
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Not to worry - the GOP and their sheeple are soon to be history. Then the working people of this country can take their government back (and yes with about 20M soon to be citizens) and once again make this country great.
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20 million mexican/latino illegals will not make this country great...never have...never will. If these 20 milliion wonder-workers are so great why couldn't they make their own countries great??? The facts are in and these illegal invaders are the worst thing(economically & morally) to happen to this nation since its inception. Soon...we will be shooting them on sight.
Americans overwhelmingly(for decades) have been demanding that they not only be stopped at the border, but that the ones who are here be rounded up and shipped out. If we could round up some 150,000 japs in WWII using 65 year old technology, we can sure as hell round some 12 million illegal sumbags using today's technology.
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My prediction is that the term "Conservative" will take on a stigma much like anti-Semite or racist or maybe homophobe!!
Peace |
My prediction is by the '2008 election, the lib democrats will have, once again, so pissed off real america with calls for increased taxes, new social programs, more regulation of our personal lives, and more amoral christian-bashing tactics that lib democrats will be thrown out on their asses for another 12 years. |
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Anonymous Mind Mayor's Aide
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 56 Location: US
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Who will do the work without Immigrants? |
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| Mrs Wolfie wrote: | | If we ban them from coming to our countries, who is going to jump and do the "dirty"work? Your thoughts... |
Face it guys, its too late to keep the beaners out, the US econmy is so dependent on Illigal Immigration Worklabor that we cannot take them out without suffering a major degredation in the ecnomy.
Face it guys, we owe it to the beaners, we could have stopped it in the 1900's but that chance is gonne, so you might aswell learn spanish. |
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