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deportliberals
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Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Hmmmmm

DavidNYC wrote:

Its enigmatic how the current administration has our country at war with Iraq, spending billions of dollars and ending tens of thousands of lives with no solid mission purpose for motivation of the war, poor health care, poor education reform, a "patriot act" that infringes on our amendment rights, with a current national deficit of 8.8 TRILLION DOLLARS.

What's really interesting is just how much of a liar you are!! First, the war could not be prosecuted without democrat backing & support. The democracts voted TWICE to go to war and have funded it ever since. So much for this being Bush's war. Second, we do infact have a solid mission...liar!! Phase one was removal of Saddam and his brutal regime and phase to is to support the democratically elected gov't in its struggle to rid its country of terrorists & insurgents. Only an america-hater like you would lie outright about our well-expressed missions and goals in Iraq. Actually, our nat'l deficit was above 8 trillion dollars when Clinton was president...check your facts!!

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Yet Clinton recieves a blowjob in the whitehouse and all of the radical extremist conservatives scream "impeach!"

Clinton wasn't impeached for taking blowjobs from a 21 yearold intern. He was impeached lying to a grand jury and obstruction of justice. Only an america-hater like you would lie outright about this.

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George Bush is not only a man who ruined Iraq, but our own nation as well.
Argue all you want, but the only true judge is history.

Our nation has one of the best economies in history with the stock market breaking 1,530 yesterday...the highest number in our history. Interest rates are at 6% and lower and unemployment runs between 4.8% & 5% which means that at any given time 95% the american workforce is employed and working. Our budget deficit is below $300 billion even while we are at war spending extra dollars. We are killing int'l terrorists in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq and have not had an attack on our soil since 9/11 that was brought to us by that do-nothing idiot Clinton.
If this is what you call a ruined nation, I'll take it anytime over puke liberal leadership that does nothing to our enemies and is only interested in increasing our taxes and stealing our freedoms.

deportliberals
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Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:56 am Post subject:

DavidNYC wrote:

Saddam also created a Western-style legal system, making Iraq the only country in the Persian Gulf region not ruled according to traditional Islamic law.

More rank bullsh*t!! Saddam did NOT have anything that even approached a Western style legal system. He was an outright murderer and so was his sons. Saddam had tortured chambers built for his sons pleasure. Say one wrong word or look the wrong way and you could be minus an arm or get to watch you wife being raped repeatedly before they kill you. You are so friggin' out of touch from reality it is pathetic. I've never heard anyone compare Saddam's brutal insane idea of justice to the Western legal system.

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That and Saddam's beliefs in secular Arab nationalism is the reason Al-Qaida, Osama Bin Laden and every other terrorist hated Saddam and avoided Iraq. With Saddam now removed, we have provided another country for Islamic Fundamentalists to reside.

More rank bullsh*t!!! Your good buddy Bill Clinton indicted al qeada and Bin Laden in 1998 for crimes against americans. In that indictment Clinton charged that al qeada and iraq had entered into a special agt on weapons development...I've provided direct quotes here on two occasions. If you'd like to see a copy of Clinton's indictment go look at chapter 15 of the 9/11 Commission Report. You'll also see in that report that it was well known that al qeada and high level iraqi officials had a number of meetings. So your lying crap about terrorists avioding iraq or hating iraq is just pure liberal bullsh*t!!! The facts say otherwise!!

deportliberals
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Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:03 am Post subject:

DavidNYC wrote:

So why didn't we leave after Saddam was captured and the militant attacks were at the lowest point? How is it that George Bush was standing on an aircraft carrier with a huge banner stating "Mission Accomplished" yet we are still occupying the country?

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What are you...some kind of child...you need to have the obvious explained to you???!!! We couldn't withdraw from Iraq because there was no gov't structure to take over. The place had been existing under a brutal dictatorhsiop for 30 years...are you brain dead. We had a moral obligation to help establish civil order and a civil form of gov't. Your good buddies(terrorists) wanted an islamic-fascist regime similar to Saddam's dictatorhsip but with a religious twist...a pured islamic republic that even most muslims reject and don't want to live under.

deportliberals
Congressman

Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: Re: To The Republicans

James Rottnek wrote:

To the Republicans on this forum.

I am here to tell you something today. The Social Democracies (ie:Europe in general) have a far better and faster growing economy then the US.
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Boys and girls...this is probably one of the most pure outright lies I've seen posted here. The socialist nations that make up the euorpean democracies can't even get 3% GDP growth out of their economies. You can use any legitimate source of your chosing (Blue Chips, varous economic journals or monthly economic letters or int'l sources) and you will see these countries struggling their collective assess off to grow their economies because of the massive welfare state they must fund. England, France and Germany are now in the process of cutting back their welfare states because they can no longer afford them.

Meanwhile, the U.S. economy constantly achieves superior growth to the above socialist economies by turning growth rates from 3% to 5%...our economy is not yet saddled with the insane welfare state that the europeans have stupdily put upon themselves.

You are not owed an education from me. I do not owe any of you food to eat, water to drink, a house, a car, health care, a job...nothing!! This country was set up to prize freedom and individual rights above all. It was not set up to obligate one group of citizens to another group. If youi can't live your own life without bothering others then get the hell out of here.

deportliberals
Congressman

Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: Re: To Parapharse Ben Franklin

James Rottnek wrote:

To speak against the Patriot Act I will now paraphrase Ben Frnaklin. Ben Franklin, in other words, once said that "One who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither."

Who cares what you and Ben Franklin think??!!! The Patriot Act has enjoyed
full support from the majority of america. The Act is 100% legal and constitutional. Both houses of congress(democrats & republicans) voted for and approved the Act and the President signed it into law and the Supreme Court has reviewed it for constitutionality.

Hence, ALL THREE BRANCHES of the american gov't approved the Act along with america's approval. Only the leftist dumbasses who are clueless about our history, don't know how this country works or is structured, don't know sh*t about our constitutional make stupid statements about the Patrioct Act taking away rights. Name one frigginn' constitutional right that the Patriot Act has taken from YOU???!!!

deportliberals
Congressman

Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: Re: To The Republicans

James Rottnek wrote:

To the Republicans on this forum.

They have education paid for through the university level for most of these nations.

What the hell makes you think others owe you a goddamn college education??? What moral authority are you using to say that I must pay for your frickin' college education??? Nobody owes you a damn thing in this life!! What is this crap where you think others owe you stuff??!!!

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They have universal medical care. They have little or no debt and many are giving money to other governemtns in loans and aid. They tend to have vastly superior standards of living.

Show me a single fact/source that can support your above claims!!!

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They have better environmental practices.

Really!! Then explain to us why the UN's Feb 2007 world climate report shows the U.S. having much lower greenhouse gas emissions than all european union countries??? The report clearly said that the U.S. has EIGHT TIMES LESS greenhouse gas emissions than european union countries. Hence, the science shows the U.S. far outpacing the euorpean union countries in reducing air pollution. So...go get your source(s) for making such an absurd statement and I'll give you a link to the latest world pollution report. Waiting!!!

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They are more democratic.

A total lie! None of the european constitutions provide for the 1st amendment free speech protections we have. Nor do they provide for the 4th amedment protections. Currently, both France and England are striping muslims of their citizenship and deporting them for making so-called hate speeches. Many of the basic freedoms we enjoy have never been available to europeans.

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They have more than jsut two major political parties

Another lie! Every country that currently makes up the european union have only TWO MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES just like the U.S. They also have smaller competing poltical parties just like the U.S.

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There (in many rising economies such as Japan, Germany

Another lie...the german economy has been in a near depression state for more than 10 years...can't even manage 2% GDP growth.

If this board was edited for historical accuracy and facts, your entire post would be deleted.

James Rottnek
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Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 65

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:47 am Post subject:

Can you provide any proof? Sweden is an example of all the things I said. Also, the Patriot Act has not been put before the Supreme Court yet.

DavidNYC
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Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Posts: 28

Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:23 am Post subject:

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phase to is to support the democratically elected gov't in its struggle to rid its country of terrorists & insurgents.

To rid the country of "Terrorists" will take FOREVER. It is ridiculous to think that we can occupy their country for an undetermined amount of time until we see fit that the government is the way WE like it. You are a fucking fascist.

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Our budget deficit is below $300 billion

No dumbshit. It is the highest in history. Are you THAT stupid??
As for Clinton, EVERYONE knows he created a budget SURPLUS before dubya took office. See for yourself

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

US National Debt from 1940 to Present

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What are you...some kind of child...you need to have the obvious explained to you???!!!....Only an america-hater like you...

SO...you support our country taking over another country to install a government that practices DEMOCRACY and uphold values similar to our Constitution, yet when I offer my opinion and viewpoint similar to other libs, I am called a baby and an America hater. Let me retort then with the same respect you have shown me. You are the PERFECT example of what is wrong with this country you sister-fucking, bible thumping, conservative piece of SHIT. I HATE Americans like you because all you do is bitch and moan about others that oppose you viewpoints that are based on polls and what your Republican periodicals and leaders say. If you want to kill people in other countries so badly, why don't you hop on one of the bombs we drop, push the button, and help rid my infected America of your uneducated, ill-mannered, pestilential presence. I will NEVER respond to ANY of your posts again because they, like you are INSANE. I'm glad your on this website and don't hold office in our government. Congress is a better place without you. SO I close now with a two finger salute to you. And this completely retarded website. It has taken too much of my precious time already. Maybe when you are burning in hell you will realize how wrong you were. Take care, DUDE.

THR
Congressional Page

Joined: 07 Jun 2007
Posts: 23
Location: Wisconsin

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Why do conservatives believe that Liberalism is wrong

deportliberals wrote:

liberalajp1 wrote:

Liberalism is nothing more than having the gov't helping the people in todays society and decreasing the poverty rate

What the hell are you talking about??? The so-called "War On Poverty" in the U.S. began in 1968 with the liberal Johnson administration claiming it was going to wipe out poverty in this nation by increasing taxes to fund all kinds of new social programs.

The poverty rate in 1968 when all these new liberal programs began was 12.8% of population. Some 42 years later and $trillions of wasted tax dollars later, the poverty rate for 2005 was 12.7% of population!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hence, according to the U.S. Census Bureau (which is tasked with measuring poverty in this country) we created hundreds of idiot social welfare programs wasting $trillions of u.s. tax dollars to accomplish a silly one tenth of percentage point drop in poverty.

You do NOT rid poverty by raising taxes to fund silly, liberal feel-good programs for the poor. Poverty is a "behavioral" problem that will never be solved by taxing the hell out of productive citizens and giving that money to non-productive citizens. You do not tie up two thirds of this nation's budget on social programs, welfare spending & entitlements.

Let failed socialist nations like Germany, Britian, France, Spain, Russia, etc
spend themselves into oblivion and kill their economies by funding huge, massive welfare programs. Go look at their economies...not a one of them have 3% GDP.

Liberal welfare programs are abysmal failures...and so is liberalism.

No no no you are so wrong. I bet that you consider yourself very well educated from reading your post you come across as very arrogant. If we the US stopped feeding the world and taking care of everyone else's problems we would not have a deficit. We would have plenty of money and taxes would surely go down.....

deportliberals
Congressman

Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Why do conservatives believe that Liberalism is wrong

THR wrote:

deportliberals wrote:

liberalajp1 wrote:

Liberalism is nothing more than having the gov't helping the people in todays society and decreasing the poverty rate

Let me invite your dumbass to the CBO or OMB website. There you will see how the U.S. budget is spent and has been spent over the last 50 years. In case you don't know, CBO stands for Congressional Budget Office which is tasked with measuring how large our budget is and where the money gets spent. If you don't like the CBO website then you can move your dumbass over to the OMB website. OMB stands for Office of Management and Budget...it makes the same measurements as the CBO.

Don't tell me NO when I say that 66 cents of every tax dollar of our budget is spent on social welfare bullsh*t programs. Both the CBO and OMB show this to be a fact. Now, where the hell are your sources that say otherwise????

deportliberals
Congressman

Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:03 am Post subject:

James Rottnek wrote:

Can you provide any proof? Sweden is an example of all the things I said. Also, the Patriot Act has not been put before the Supreme Court yet.

I went to the "Sweden Economic GDP" website where SWEDEN listed its own GDP figures and gave data on all its economic indicators...why the hell can't you do the same???? The data I listed above came from Sweden!!!!!!!!!!

For your information, the Patrioct Act has been before the U.S. Supreme Court more THREE TIMES. The first time was when congress sent the act up to the court for constitutional review. The second time was an ACLU challenge to the Act. The third time was June 2004 case where the court ruled that enemy combatants could not challenge their confinemnt in U.S courts.

Let's see your sources that say otherwise. Where the hell did you ever get the idea that the Patriot Act has not been before the Supreme Court???

deportliberals
Congressman

Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 704

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:38 am Post subject:

DavidNYC wrote:

We did the very same thing with WWII Germany, Italy, Japan and Korea.
Since you don't have a clue what the term 'fascist" means I'll ignore your ignorant use of the word above. Liberals like you can't be expected to understand the proper use of english terms since words and the rules of english do not apply to liars.

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No dumbshit. It is the highest in history. Are you THAT stupid??
As for Clinton, EVERYONE knows he created a budget SURPLUS before dubya took office. See for yourself

Here...monkey...here is our budget in pretty picture form so even a dumbass like you can understand it:

www.uuforum.org/deficit.htm

Look at the pretty lines and you'll see every president since JFK ran a budget deficit, and you'll also see that my statement about our current deficit being less than $300 is right on the money....chart shows our 2006 deficit to be $260 billion and THAT IS NOT THE HIGHEST IN HISTORY YOU MORON!!!!! Now if you want to argue with the Congressional Budget Office numbers be my guest, you dumbsh*t!!!

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This has got to be the second or third time you've said you would never respond to my posts again, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. The typical liberal loser who is so uninformed in his life that he can't intelligently discuss the current events of his own time. I know, why don't you stick to telling us
about the phantom beam weapons that Bush launched on 9-11 to bring down twin towers and kill 3000 americans; how al qeada was not flying those hijaked airliners and how all the people on the ground who witnessed the plane hitting the pentagon were just imagining it, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...what a loser...

If you ever do decide to do some fact checking you'll find out that your moronic statement above about us taking over another country is totally devoid of any historical fact. The iraqi people voted TWICE for their constitution and to have a democratically elected form of gov't. That's a nation of 23 million people who overwhelmingly chose democracy over dictatorhsip...a hard concept for a liberal fascist like yourself to understand.

DavidNYC
Congressional Page

Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Posts: 28

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: YES!

I do keep responding even though I say I won't. BECAUSE YOU ARE SO STUPID I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE LET YOU KEEP RAMBLING without putting your ass in check. Someone who won't let uneducated fools spread the plague of conservative retard gospel. THAT's a TYPICAL LIB, BITCH.

OK nice graph you sent me.

Point #1 -

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THAT IS NOT THE HIGHEST IN HISTORY YOU MORON!!!!!

Ok apparently you are a COMPLETE IMBECILE and cannot read graphs. I can plainly see the deficit reaching so low on the graph that no other deficit comes close. That makes it THE LARGEST IN HISTORY you COMPLETE FUCKING TOOL.

Point #2 - I made an error. The national DEBT (not deficit) is 8.8 trillion. With the gov't now pushing 9 trillion. National Debt and deficit are COMPLETELY different animals. See for yourself:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5282521

Point #3 - If you take the surplus created by Clinton - 526 million
add to it the deficit created by Bush in only 3 1/2 YEARS! - -648 million

THAT MEANS HE SPENT NEARLY 1.2 TRILLION DOLLARS IN 3 1/2 YEARS!!!

IT SURPASSES ALL COMBINED EXPENDITURES OF PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS IN US HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ROUGHLY 1.1 TRILLION)

IT'S CALLED MATH BITCH. GO BACK TO SCHOOL!

DON'T USE 9/11 AS AN EXCUSE BECAUSE HE WAS WELL ON HIS WAY BEFORE SEPT 11TH

GEORGE BUSH IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL

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The iraqi people voted TWICE for their constitution and to have a democratically elected form of gov't. That's a nation of 23 million people who overwhelmingly chose democracy over dictatorhsip...a hard concept for a liberal fascist like yourself to understand.

America invaded IRAQ, destroyed it's Military and captured it's leader. Then with our guns and tanks we go to civilians and tell them to vote. DO you really think they are going to say "No, thank you."? I am not a fascist, I am a freedom loving patriot that hates fucking country invading cowboys that think they know everything, and can help who they want when they want. So F.U. you Hitler youth reject.

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THR
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Joined: 07 Jun 2007
Posts: 23
Location: Wisconsin

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Why do conservatives believe that Liberalism is wrong

deportliberals wrote:

THR wrote:

deportliberals wrote:

liberalajp1 wrote:

Liberalism is nothing more than having the gov't helping the people in todays society and decreasing the poverty rate

You are such an idiot! I mean come on we were doing fine when Clinton left office and now we are deeper in debt than ever before! Give me a break...Sheesh like I have said before you Conservatards will support Dumbya' no matter what he and Dick are both war profiters! This administration is so corrupt it gives the rest of us that want to live in The U.S. a black eye....I say anyone who wants to support this war should use their money and those of us who are aginst it should be able to choose where are tax dollars are spent!

THR
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Joined: 07 Jun 2007
Posts: 23
Location: Wisconsin

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: Re: YES!

DavidNYC wrote:

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THAT IS NOT THE HIGHEST IN HISTORY YOU MORON!!!!!

I agree 100% David!!!!

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